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Vocal profile

I've removed this (not for the first time, though previously it was incomplete):

==Vocal profile==
Voice type: Full Soprano
Highest note: D6 (Closer)
Lowest note: E3 (Something's gonna happen)
Vocal range: 3 octaves (E3-D6)
Highest note in chest voice: G5 (Something's gonna happen)

Aside from its use and accuracy (and formatting), what's the source? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:41, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

It's just been put back, with no attempt at discussion, as:
==Vocal Profile==
+ * Highest note: D6 (Closer)
+ * Highest note in chest voice: G5 (Something's Gonna Happen)

--Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

And it's been put back again, and again with no explanation. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
And again. I've left messages on his Talk page (as he's now opened an account), but he's ignoring them. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Vocal profile

Hi, I'm the one who posted that information about her vocal range.

A girl who studies about notes and octaves said Mel C hit a D6 on Closer, and then I measured the note through MuseBook Tuner, and it was D6 indeed. The other notes I also measured through MuseBook Tuner, which is very accurate. I'm just not sure about Mel C's voice type.

Sorry I'm late, but I didn't know how to reply to your messages

That's OK, The trouble is that this is all original research, and as such is not permissible in a Wikipedia article. If there's an independent source of the information, either in print or on the Web, which you could cite, the information could go back in. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Is it, really? I mean, the song is published, so this is just a measurement, not a formerly unpublished fact. If I pointed out that someone had a red dress in a photo, without giving any other reference than the photo itself, would that also be original research?

Chart position

The peak position of Next Best Superstar is wrong. Red Boy

  • What makes you say that? Fi9 23:03, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Northern Star sales

If a UK album is described as triple platinum it must by definition of sold at least 900,000. Fi9 23:03, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Recent revert

I've just reverted an anon's removal of information about a song's use for a soap opera, and the addition of the claim that "Sporty Spice" is apt becauee her brother's a racing driver. In the case of the former, no reason was given; if the information is false, then it should go of course, but is it? In the latter case, it just seems completely wrong; a nickname is appropriate because of the nature of the bearer, not of her friends and relatives (unless the nickname is something like "Friendless Spice" or "Orphan Spice"...). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Reason widely considered what?

Although a commercial failure (relative to the financial investment in the project) and not particularly well received by music critics, Reason has proved to be popular amongst Melanie's fans, if not widely considered their favourite of her albums.

Eh... Source? And how would that explain the fact that in her German tour - I personally attended one of the concerts - she only played one song from her second album?--Pecholobo 13:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Tattoo placement in two album covers

Did anybody notice that Mel C has her tattoos switching sides in the album covers Beautiful Intentions, and Northern Star? Looks like the person who made the album cover decided to flip it horizontally... it's not strictly a Wikipedia issue, just pointing it out... Kareeser|Talk! 18:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Someone's just asked this from Mel in an interview and she said on the cover of BI she is looking into a mirror - that's why the image is flipped. The cross is on her left arm. 83.184.156.76 16:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Major re-write needed

This article is in desperate need of a complete re-write.

Its a very poor article littered with speculation, un-sourced and incorrect statements and is full of points of view. I've tried to remove as much of the inappropriate information as I can - but its still a sub-standard article. Rimmers 23:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Discography doesn't show work with Spice Girls

Why is this? Normally members of past bands still have their material with that band listed in their discography? --Joewithajay 17:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

2bh I dont see any reason to include it with her solo work. The Spice Girls are clearly marked within the article and there are links to the Spice Girls discography in the template at the bottom of the page. Perhaps a link directing to the Spice Girls discography could be included at the top of solo discography? Rimmers 19:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Images

While I love seeing pictures of this beautiful woman, I wonder whether the article needs so many. There's virtually an entire column of them, when surely a picture in her infobox and her album (and perhaps single) covers should suffice, shouldn't they? I've not removed them, as I wanted to see what the general concensus was. -- JediLofty User | Talk 12:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, having the images switch sides makes the article very hard to follow. If we HAVE to have the images, they should remain on one side, to make reading the article easier. -- JediLofty User | Talk 13:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the article looks much cleaner now. Incidentally, is the Image we have in the infobox allowed (Iwcouttake03.jpg)? It was removed by Rimmers at 21:39 last night during an image cull! The others were marked as having no licence; does the one that's being used not fall under that? -- JediLofty User | Talk 08:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Paul Jensen?

I don't know where this stuff about her being Paul Jensen's assistant came from! I Googled and found a message board where someone keeps posting about it (the other forum members seem to be of the opinion that the poster is a little... how can I put it... deranged?

The poster has been banned, by the look of it, but I wonder if that is who's posting here, or if they just read the same board that I did. -- JediLofty User | Talk 15:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Its vandalism Rimmers 16:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it? I guess I'm just trying to assume good faith. -- JediLofty User | Talk 16:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Active in European charts

What does the asterisk with active in Europen charts mean? I haven't seen this on any other artist's page. I haven't removed it, as that might fall under the 3RR! -- JediLofty User | Talk 13:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It means that this singles still in singles top charts in European countries!!! Aaliyax (talk | contribs) 20:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Does that really belong in an encyclopedia? Surely they'll be changing all the time? What are you using as a source? -- JediLofty User | Talk 22:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not only in Melanie C page!! Also Christina Aguilera's discography has this article and i have seen it in other musicions too. I fallow all charts, cose am a big fan of Melanie Chisholm and this 3 singles still in Top100 sigles charts in European countries.

Re-write Melanie Chisholm page

IT NEED A COMPLETE RE-WRITE, COSE THIS IS TOO POOR FOR SO BIG ARTIST LAIKE MELANIE CHISHOLM AND HAVEN'T MUCH OF HER CARRIER AND NO ANY INFO ABOUT HER PERSONAL LIFE!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaliyax (talk • contribs) 14:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Please don't shout. ;-)
I have to say that the article is much better than it was, even a few weeks ago, Removal of the excess images helped, I think. There aren't many sources about Mel's personal life, as she's quite a private sort of person, which is why there's not much information in the article. How would you improve it? -- JediLofty User | Talk 15:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

There aren't many sources about Mel's personal life???This article HAVE NOT ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IT!!! Like Mel is old virgin, sorry for that!!! And why - really, why this article haven't a pics of this great personality, working 12 years in music industry? It's not serious, really, and informations about albums - only some words!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaliyax (talk • contribs) 13:44, April 25, 2007 (UTC)

  • The key concept here about adding info about Mel's personal life is that we need reliable sources for that. If you can find sources, feel free to add to the article. Tabercil 23:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Well said, Tabercil. Aaliyax, I find it hard to follow what you're trying to say sometimes. If the article doesn't mention something that you think it should (and you can find reliable sources to back it up) then add it. That's what Wikipedia is all about! As for images, The article had FAR too many before. We have a properly copyrighted one, now, and that looks good. Try to remember that this is an encyclopedia article, not a fan site. -- JediLofty User | Talk 08:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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Why is there no personal information in this article?

Did she or virgin records write it? Why is anything on her personal life deleted, or is she more powerful than any other celebrity and questions about her sexuality, lovers and life outside music are strictly private? Reaper7 23:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking the same ! -- Beardo 21:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
The article, while by no means bad, does have a very "corporate," commercial feel. I wonder if the bulk of the unregistered-user IP edits could possibly be, say, employees of a record label or PR firm? KevinWho 23:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Even here? I thought for sure there would at least be some personal information being discussed for inclusion. For instance, true or not, the accusation that she's a lesbian has dogged her enough to be cited here. Her denial, as well. It's odd that it hasn't even been discussed here. 24.47.146.86 —Preceding comment was added at 10:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Information can only be added with a suitable, third party reference. If you can find such a reference, feel free to add the information.-- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 11:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Baby news

I've just read that Mel is going to have her first baby. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1047951/Happy-Mel-C-confirms-shes-expecting-Baby-Spice.html 86.29.234.143 (talk) 16:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Well congratulations to her, and the information has already been added to the article by this time. Tabercil (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Whiston vs Widnes?

I always thought she was born in Widnes, but now apparently it's Whiston, NateJay 21:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

For information purpose, it came to light that Mel C was interviewed by Mel B on Paul O'Grady Show with Kim Cattrall, in it Kim Cattrall who is from Liverpool speaks to Mel C who says she is from Liverpool (well Whiston) and grew up just outside Liverpool (which means Widnes). The interview is added as a source by me it is here [1]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.70.39 (talk) 11:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Whiston.... Lancashire?

At the time of her birth, Whiston was in the administrative county of Lancashire. A couple of months later, on 1 April 1974, it would be transferred to the new metropolitan county of Merseyside.

Chisholm was born in Whiston, Lancashire. Civil registration (i.e. her birth certificate) will attest this; Merseyside was a concept of the future at the time. Please do not state she was born in Merseyside; it is an anachronism. Our naming convention states we should use the "county of the time" (see WP:PLACE). We are permitted to mention that the boundaries changed however, and would probably be good practice to do so in the main body of text (as opposed to the lead and infobox). Hope this helps, --Jza84 |  Talk  02:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

She was actually born in Whiston Hospital which is the Maternity unit that serves Widnes. Her parents lived in Widnes at the time. Racklever (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Another website says she was born in Liverpool. Neither of you looks like you're citing your sources or otherwise following the Verifiability rules. I'm of course excluding IMDB and Wikipedia mirrors. Until you can find a reputable secondary source, such as her published biography or something, I think her birthplace should be listed as Liverpool. Banaticus (talk) 09:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, please inform me - why is her county of birth Merseyside, even though it didn't come into existence until a few months after her birth? An index of metals (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems clear that the Local Government Act 1972 came into effect on 1st April 1974, so I think Lancashire is correct, per above. Rodhullandemu 19:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, then - why are my changes to this effect reverted time and time and time again? An index of metals (talk) 19:49, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Record Sales?

In Melanie's bio. in her website it says that she sold more than 3 million albums not 12 million. Who is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.31.168.130 (talk) 02:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

she's sold more 3 millions in UK alone... her total albums and singles sales Worldwide surpassed 12million records.

Television appearances

Is there a reason her Celebrity Juice appearances are in the Television list, but not her Never Mind the Buzzcocks ones? She appears to have been on the latter show in 5 normal episodes and one Sport Relief special, judging by the List of Never Mind the Buzzcocks episodes. I'm not adding it myself because (a) I'm not sure what the appropriate format is, given that the appearances range from 1998 to 2012, and (b) I'm not sure there isn't some reason they don't 'count' of which I am not aware. - Ninjakitten (talk) 01:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Tattoos

It states that 'She has 11 tattoos on her body which her parents have let her have done.[27]'. She does not require either now or at the time she had her tattoos, the permission of her parents. She may have had one or two before the age of 18, but I remember her having most of them while she was in the Spice Girls. The reference does not state anywhere that she received parental consent. They aren't even referred to in the article. Kiboko 81.157.151.181 (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 05:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Melanie Chisholm → Melanie C – Over 2 million results for "Melanie C" and 680,000 for "Melanie Chisholm". Her official website identifies her as Melanie C, as does her Facebook page and Twitter profile. Unreal7 (talk) 20:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Support - evidently recent WP:COMMONNAME per cover of latest album Stages (Melanie C album) and previous solo albums since 1999 In ictu oculi (talk) 01:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. Appears to be the common name. Most of the citations and external links used on this article uses "C" instead of "Chisholm". Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment Sporty Spice ? -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:08, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Question: Should there be a full stop after the C? Wikipedia generally frowns on the use of unusual punctuation for decorative or stylistic ppurposes, so if there are reliable sources that include the full stop, we should too. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose – no reason is given to move the article away from the artist's actual name. If it's a "recent commonname" issue, where's the evidence? Better to avoid recentism anyway. Dicklyon (talk) 05:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support This is her screenname and the press/media always uses the name Melanie C instead of Melanie Chisholm.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 05:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Only just realised that my reasons for moving never came out. I did provide it before but something must've happened. The reasons are here now. Unreal7 (talk) 11:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment. Official usage does not carry much weight in deciding such issues. What we need is evidence that reliable sources use the proposed name to refer to this artist more commonly than the actual person's name. I see no supporting citations for that in this discussion so far... --B2C 17:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Recent? This is a longstanding WP:STAGENAME. Even when she was known as Sporty Spice, her "real" name was presented as Melanie C. --BDD (talk) 20:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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Orphaned references in Melanie C

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Reference named "fifty-five":

  • From Geri Halliwell: "Spice Girls announce reunion tour". BBC News. 13 July 2007. Retrieved 14 July 2007.
  • From Mel B: "Spice Girls announce reunion tour". BBC News. 13 July 2007. Retrieved 14 July 2007.

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"Chisholm has been open about her experiences with ADHD [...]": In this Intervew Melanie C says that she never had ADHD and that it is a wrong information from Wikipedia. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p050q54w — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melanie Riedel (talk • contribs) 10:20, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

@Melanie Riedel: I've gone ahead and removed the ADHD claim as it is unsourced. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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croatian descent

her paternal grandfather was croatian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.203.234.147 (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Is this really true?

"She has co-written eleven chart topping singles — more than any other female artist in chart history."

This just don't seem true. I think it should be cleared that what chart does this really mean. I think it is the UK single chart? What about artist like Madonna, who has had hits in UK chart ever since the early 80's and she co-writes her songs as well, so... Something just don't seem to match here. And her old band mate Geri Halliwell has also co-written all her songs and 8 out of 9 of her solo singles have been in top 10 and then the singles with the Spice Girls that she was included makes it 16 singles that she was included went to top 10. --L.a.m.b 21:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Reply: that extract, taken from her official website, talks about chart toppers, meaning #1 records in the UK (both with the Spice Girls and as a solo artist). Madonna has had 11 #1's in the UK too, but when this text was published 'Hung Up' had not been released yet. And as for Geri, she has indeed achieved 11 #1's too (both with the Spice Girls and as a solo artist). So the "more than any other female artist in chart history" thing is not true (given that both Madonna and Geri co-wrote all their chart toppers, if which I'm not 100% sure) --s702nv4e 21:02, 06 December 2005

11 #1's from an english born artist...

http://www.everyhit.com/record1.html

...is an authentic source of UK Chart info, and the disputed sentence seems to talk about the record described on this site as "appearing" on 11 No1 records, not necessarily co-writing them. However, Mel's not holding this record anymore, as Madonna's Hung Up went No1 last year, and so did Sorry in February, so the record now is held by her with 12.

Madonna did co-write 11 of these songs (American Pie is by Don McLean of course), which would create a tie with Mel, provided that she did co-write all SG songs (I think she did, by the way), but if we're talking about writing credits it's not only Madonna we should look at. There are people like Kathy Dennis who write for other artists but never performing. I don't know much about her, but I do know she wrote Can't Get You Out of My Head for Kylie.

Bottom line:

"She has co-written eleven chart topping singles — more than any other female artist in chart history." is definitely not true anymore, not even restricted to the UK charts only, now that Sorry's gone No1 so Madonna co-wrote 11 of her No1s. 83.184.156.76 16:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find that Cathy Dennis has written many more hits that Melanie Chisholm. She was an artist in her own right and released 'Touch Me' Kiboko 81.157.151.181 (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Cathy Dennis never had a UK number single as a solo performer, however, she wrote the following number hits: "I Kissed A Girl" (Katy Perry), "Toxic" (Britney Spears), "Cant Get You Out of My Head" (Kylie Minogue), "Once" (Diana Vickers), "About You Now" (Sophie Ellis-Bextor). She's also written UK hits for: S Club 7, S Club Juniors/8, Rachel Stevens, Dannii Minogue and many more artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1028:8380:95C6:401F:A1CF:990A:5EAC (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Mistake or unreported extreme gestation

Chisholm admitted that the arrival of her 11-year-old daughter Scarlet proved to be a turning point in her life. I suspect she did not give birth to a near-teenager, so coudl somone with editing rights delete '11-year-old'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.124.67 (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Singles - chart placing information

I think that the Singles information should include the chart placings for all the countries, not only UK, Germany and Switzerland.. as she has recently stopped releasing in UK and had success in Portugal, Spain, Austria, Australia, etc.

The article rightly states Melanie C co-wrote 11 UK #01 singles but also wrongly states that's more than any other female. According to Guiness Records Madonna co-wrote 13 UK #01 songs (12 songs she performed and another song she co-wrote for Gary Barlow). Checking the All Madonna #01 song credits and Gary Barlow "Love Won't Wait" song we verify that it's in fact truth. At best Melanie C is 2nd to Madonna as female songwriter with most UK #01 songs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.94.23.209 (talk) 03:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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