Talk:Melina Abdullah/Archive 1

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Potential Lawsuit

My name is Cody Leeder, individual and a resident of Los Angeles County, California. Cruvoir Corporation is a California corporation conducting business as a high-end designer clothing store, located at 8211 Melrose Avenue West Hollywood, CA 90046 CA.

I owned the store for five years prior to the looting that occurred on May 30th, 2020 when the Mayor of California ordered the LAPD a stand down mandate during the Black Lives Matter marches. Scores of opportunists & masked armed looters took advantage, damaging commercial & personal property & engaging in open theft, vandalism, & violent destruction of my property.

The total damages were over 1.5 million dollars of designer clothing, sneakers, jewelry, and rare vintage pieces. None of my property was covered by Insurance, so we have shuttered our doors until we can reopen when permitted.

As members of the conspiracies alleged more fully in court, Melina Abdullah—lead organizer of BLM LA chapter participated and acted with or in furtherance of said conspiracy and performed acts and made statements in furtherance of the conspiracy and other violations of California law.

I am looking to consult with advisors in my individual capacity for injunctive relief from constitutional violations by BLM on the counts of Property Damage, Vandalism & Loss of Business Income, and negligence by LAPD. Unfortunately due to the stay-at-home mandate, I wasn't able to protect my property until it was too late. 2603:8000:BD00:B5C7:194D:186D:243E:CC2A (talk) 12:43, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The protesters were honoring Dr. Melina Abdullah, lead organizer of Black Lives Matter’s L.A. chapter, who led call and response chants of “disrupt white capitalism,” a concept she believes is the root cause of police violence in America. Abdullah, who is also a college professor, went on to drop a string of expletives that seemingly foreshadowed what was to come after the rally would end. “F*** the police,” she shouted into the megaphone. “F*** white capitalism. F*** The Grove. F*** 3rd and Fairfax. F*** Beverly Hills.” By nightfall, stores at every shopping district Abdullah mentioned had been vandalized and looted, and several LAPD cruisers in the Fairfax District were set on fire. Sorenronan (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

By nightfall, stores at every shopping district Abdullah mentioned had been vandalized and looted. Abdullah’s 16-year-old daughter, Thandiwe, also addressed rallygoers. She co-founded the Black Lives Matter Youth Vanguard and has been speaking at local protests for several years. In 2018, she was honored by Time Magazine as one of the most influential teens in the country. “I know you want to cry, I know you want to tear some shit up,” Thandiwe said. “If you want to set some corporations on fire, you know what? I don’t care about Target burning. I don’t care that capitalism burns. I don’t care that white people in their f***ing office buildings are upset. I don’t care that you can’t go nowhere because you’re stuck in f***ing traffic. I don’t care that you can’t get to your job or your doctor’s appointment or to wherever the f*** you want to go.” Sorenronan (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

How it went down: A city permit was given to Black Lives Matter to hold an event at Pan Pacific Park on May 30th in the afternoon—a small park, not an event park—it looks crowded with 200 people in it. Whoever gave the permit should be fired—this was the first mistake that led to violence, theft, and hundreds of millions of dollars in damage for many miles. Sorenronan (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

At Pan Pacific Park, Dr. Melina Abdullah, lead organizer of Black Lives Matter's LA chapter, led call and response chants of "disrupt white capitalism." Before the event ended, Abdullah shouted into a megaphone: "Fuck the police! Fuck white capitalism! Fuck The Grove! Fuck 3rd and Fairfax! Fuck Beverly Hills! (Daily Wire) Sorenronan (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The following interview has been abbreviated and edited for clarity.

Warren Olney: Talk about the looting and violence that took place at the protests in LA over the weekend.

Melina Abdullah: “We were very deliberate in deciding to disrupt spaces of white affluence. We want to make sure that it's not just black people who are suffering at the hands of white supremacy, that if we can bring a little bit of the pain that we feel to white communities, then maybe they'll have a vested interest in ... and disrupting these systems that kill our people. They can't simply turn their heads and retreat from what we're experiencing.

I think it's a huge mistake for people to be equating what happens to property with what happens to the lives of black people. We need to shift that. We also need to remember that in these demonstrations, the first acts of violence are the police assaulting protesters. And it's important that the media examines that.” Sorenronan (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Melina Abdullah was deliberately stoking a very large crowd into destructive action in the middle of the day as the event was ending. She knew exactly what she was doing. Organizers ended the rally while it was still peaceful, acknowledging the situation could potentially become 'unsafe' for some people in attendance. A Black Lives Matter leader said over the bullhorn. "The action is officially closed," he announced. "Whatever y'all do from here on out ain't my business." Tensions began to rise after the protesters began moving toward Beverly Hills and other areas. They were met by LAPD, which issued an 'unlawful assembly' order and instructed participants and onlookers to leave. The LA Times described the scene that developed as 'a tense standoff' with police shooting rubber bullets and striking demonstrators with batons. (CBS2) Sorenronan (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

At this point, putting too many people in too small an area, firing them up with angry rhetoric, then telling them to leave the park in the middle of the day left the police in an untenable position. Should they direct the large crowd one way or another? This crowd was amped. A total mess ensued. Many were driven North, to Melrose Avenue, only five blocks away, where the police would not go for four hours. Who's fault? The next mistake was LAPD's strategy of handling what was inevitable. There would be parts of this crowd plus opportunistic hooligans spreading out to tag, rob, and burn for many square miles—after everything was looted, someone would start a fire inside. Sorenronan (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

One of my neighbors roamed a mile of Melrose with her camera. Over four hours, she saw zero police crackdown —one big candy store! The Shoe Palace was looted for a full hour before someone started fires inside. Urban Outfitters was continuously looted for two hours before fires were started inside. My Store, Cruvoir at 8211 Melrose Avenue, was looted for hours until I got there, and nearly everything was gone and destroyed. Sorenronan (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The Los Angeles Police Department deliberately abandoned Melrose and other major streets, deciding not to 'risk' department 'lives' and 'reputations' for property damage—better to let the looters loot and burn? All LAPD had to do was criss-cross and block critical streets with squad cars and bullhorns. It would have scattered the crowd. Wherever there were broken windows, put a car in front of it with police standing guard. It would have stopped all the fires and continuous looting that went on for hours. Sorenronan (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Law enforcement officials, current and retired, criticized the LAPD response, saying it was riddled with flaws—from acquiescing to protesters gathering in huge numbers in a business district like Fairfax, to delaying two moves that would have increased manpower sooner— mobilizing the entire police force into action by canceling off-days and vacations, and calling in the National Guard—as they were given warning well-ahead of time. Sorenronan (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Charles Sid Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander, said the LAPD decision to allow protesters access to an area like the Grove and Farmers Market was a miscalculation. Keeping crowds away from vulnerable areas is a vital part of crowd control, he said. "That means place sentries where you don't want them to go in advance." (LA Times) Sorenronan (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I would like a pre retention consultation with an attorney who can represent me and my business in district court vs Melina Abdullah, individually, Black Lives Matter Foundation, aka BLM on the counts of property damage, vandalism, loss of business income, and infliction of emotional distress under 28 U.S.C. 1331, 1343, 1986. Sorenronan (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Extraneous?

I'm afraid someone's support for a listed hate group can't really be extraneous. LΞVIXIUS💬 05:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Levixius, also there isn't substantial evidence nor newsworthy articles and sources to support these claims, in the introduction, it makes a claim without proper citation and in controversy, it's not properly formatted and the news sources seem to be a better fit for a page on the nation of Islam, not Abdullah. Also Citing twitter is very sticky. Sim-Marcel-Bilal (talk) 12:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

While I agree that someone's support for a listed hate group can't really be extraneous. The sources listed in connection with the claims that Abdullah is a supporter of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam and their views do not make the connection that Abdullah shares the same antisemitic and anti-LGBTQ views. They original authors of those claims took a huge leap in trying to make the connection. With that said all the sources that were used must be considered poor sources as again they do not confirm that Abdullah shares the same points of view. In doing so, that section had to be removed so this article can adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. Howaboutafresca (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2023 (UTC)