Talk:Mici (disambiguation)

Requested move 23 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. and Mici redirected to Mititei. (closed by non-admin page mover) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 04:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Mici → Mici (disambiguation) – The Romanian dish (article is titled Mititei) is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, literally just look up "mici" on Google and it's all about the dish. I propose to move this disambiguation page, redirect Mici to Mititei and add a hatnote to Mititei leading to this disambiguation page. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:38, 23 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Disambiguation has been notified of this discussion. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 05:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WP:UCN. All other uses are comparatively obscure. — Biruitorul ^Talk 17:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• General Google Search results are a) personalized, so for a Romanian viewer like yourself will probably be modified to match your most probable interests, which may or may not match the interests of the average English reader b) not the end-all source of information about usage. Please read the linked primary topic guideline more carefully. Let's look at some other data sources: Google Books search with pws=0 doesn't seem to show any prevalence of the food for me. https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Mici indicates that in October '23, there were 50 lookups of Mici, and 31 outgoing clickstreams could be identified to the proposed primary topic (~62%). Mititei is currently listed in the "Other" section below two others, which could impact this. I looked into the clickstream archive and in September it was 40 out of 59 (~68%), and in August 40 out of 51 (78%). Page views graph for the two, with logarithmic scale turned on, doesn't indicate such a good correlation. Because the food article isn't particularly impressive (4 paragraphs + lead) I would suggest just applying MOS:DABCOMMON and listing it at the top. If in another few months the stats indicates that an even larger proportion of readers wants to navigate there, then we can proceed with this kind of a move. (Oppose) The matter of what the food article is best called is unrelated and can be freely resolved over there. --Joy (talk) 11:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. My reading of the Wikinav results is that the vast majority of the outgoing clicks from the dab page are for the food, with no other article registering enough clicks to be listed. Googling (from the UK) also shows me no other uses of "Mici" than the food. The only other uses we see in Wikipedia are as a personal name (though only once as a surname) or as part of a placename. Redirecting "Mici" to Mititei, with a link there to the dab page (to be moved to Mici (disambiguation)) seems a sensible move. PamD 08:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  @PamD the anonymization threshold in the clickstream system is 10, so with such low traffic we can't use lack of rendered clickstreams as indicative of much. Here's the views [1] and clickstreams from the tsv archive for subsequent months (WikiNav got stuck since):

  November '23

  incoming 54

  • Mititei link 34 (~62%)

  December '23

  incoming 75

  • Mititei link 39 (~52%)

  The remaining 38-48% of traffic has gone under the radar. This is a pretty short page, so I find it hard to believe that the remaining half of the users are also mostly looking for the food but somehow consistently failing to find the link to it month after month. The food may be popular, but we have no proof the average English reader associates the term with the food so strongly that they're somehow astonished or done a disservice by seeing the ambiguity up front, even if they were looking for the food. We should fix the section sorting, though. --Joy (talk) 18:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  Well there are at least 3 or 4 times as many people looking for the food as for any other link. PamD 18:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

followup to move discussion

@ZI Jony @PamD sorry, I missed these messages before. The threshold described at WP:PTOPIC is if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term It's not so straightforward to say it's definitely more likely than all others combined when we know the limitations of these statistics. It certainly seems to be the single most popular topic by usage, but that does not have to equal primary topic. And this is all disregarding the fact that usage isn't the only parameter of primary topic selection. --Joy (talk) 23:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

PamD and Joy, would you like to relist and continue your argument? Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 05:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@ZI Jony No, I support the move. PamD 06:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@ZI Jony it doesn't matter much either way for a ~50/view/month term, I'm just trying to make sure we apply rigor in our decision-making processes so we avoid systemic issues. --Joy (talk) 07:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, we will close the matter right here, if there is any concern in future regarding the naming will discuss further. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 11:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)