Talk:Mick Barnard

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Barnard's post-Genesis career[edit]

What - if anything - has ever been found out about M.B.'s post-Genesis career? What happened to him? Scott1329m 21:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to know that as well! He seems to be even more "forgotten" than the pre-Nursery Cryme drummers. World of Genesis at least has interviews with them. Why was he only a temporary member? Was he a poor player or did he already have other plans for his life? I know he did not record with Genesis at all but has anyone heard any recordings of him elsewhere?

Also, Barnard's time in the band must have coincided more or less with the period Gabriel was laid up with his broken leg from his stage dive during a performance of The Knife. Did they do any touring at all with Barnard or did he just help in rehearsals whilst Gabriel's leg was healing? Thanks. 210.50.60.69 (talk) 07:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found some information in a new book called Genesis: Behind the Lines 1967-2007 by Robin Platts [1]. There is a brief interview with Barnard and a modern-day photograph of him. He acknowledges he was very much still learning his craft whilst in Genesis and found some of the songs difficult to play because of their open chords. Apparently he became a very good friend of Peter Gabriel but had a severe personality clash with Tony Banks, who allegedly ostracized him (perhaps as a forerunner to Tony's treatment of Steve Hackett?) Peter realised what Tony was doing to Mick and tried to support and console him. He also generally liked Phil. If anyone actually has this book (I as just flipping through it in a shop) can you please cite from it and improve the article? Thanks. 202.138.16.45 (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page now answers 210.50.60.69's questions about whether they toured with Barnard. Barnard was gone by the time that Gabriel broke his ankle: the Collins-Hackett-Gabriel-Banks-Rutherford lineup lasted from 14 January 1971 until 1975, and the broken ankle was 19 June 1971. And Peter wasn't out of commission long: on 22 June they played a show with Peter in a wheelchair! The only injury that seriously impacted Genesis' touring schedule was when Steve cut his hand in October 1974, forcing the first eleven shows on the Lamb tour to be cancelled. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 01:42, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit surprised that this information hasn't surfaced before now... about ten years ago, I bought a second-hand BEL delay unit, & in trying to find out a bit more about the thing, discovered that BEL still exist & that they'd been co-founded in 1975 by none other than our man here. someone with a bit more ability to insert this as an in-line citation might want to update the main page: http://www.diversity.fr/ressources/documents/bel_brochure_colour.pdf duncanrmi (talk) 09:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow -- that's great to know! Thanks for the addition. I added a second citation to supplement yours. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 18:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks lawrence. as regards the way the company chooses to render its name, might I suggest that it's because of the unit of sound level, the bel, which in turn is named for alexander graham bell, the supposed inventor of the telephone. the bel is an enormous unit, & for convenience is divided into the more familiar decibels, or dB. duncanrmi (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is very insulting to insinuate that Tony was mean to Steve as if he banned or prevented him from contributing songs to the albums as well as trying to ostracize Mick. I know that Steve believed that he wasn't getting enough of his music onto the records and that Tony had submitted some of his best material beforehand, but according to the Bowler & Dray book, he didn't have any interest in writing short and simple songs, so I theorize that he should've taken some responsibility for his predicament - if that's the right word.61.69.217.3 (talk) 07:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Writing credits[edit]

Despite the writing credits on early Genesis albums generally being printed as simply "Genesis", this is only for public consumption - by checking in the PRS/MCPS Alliance database, you can see the official legal copyright percentage shares for songwriting credits on everything. This info is not in the public domain, but as a PRS/MCPS I took the time to look it up. Mick Barnard does not own any copyright share on any old Genesis song. On "Twilight Alehouse", Anthony Phillips actually owns a share. Hackett owns a share on every track on Nursery Cryme, and it is actually Collins who is not credited on some of them. It is difficult to satisfy WP:VER on this point, as the info is not in the public domain, however that is no excuse for breaking WP:NOR instead.--feline1 (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed -- Wikipedia copyright rules need to govern how this is presented. Plus, if we attempted to actually track down the actual composers of each piece, we would open an endless can of worms, since Genesis continued to re-use bits of material in their rehearsals and writing for many years. There are instrumental bits on Trick of the Tail that date back to the "cottage" era when Banks-Gabriel-Rutherford-Phillips were writing. The new box set has the four long-lost "Jackson" songs that demostrate that bits of the Lamb date to the Phillips days as well. Furthermore, bits of "The Musical Box" guitar work appear on a 1969 demo tape that Phillips included on his Archive Collection Volume I. And of course, even after they began to give specific writing credits, the listed author was usually just the composer of the basic song (lyrics, melody, chord structures), and the recorded arrangement included contributions by the whole band. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 06:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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