Talk:Microcrystal electron diffraction

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This page is not a neutral point of view WP:NPOVD[edit]

This page represents one particular view from one particular group, who jumped in to Electron Crystallography quite late in 2013. While their work is interesting, the attack on ADT and other methods is inappropriate, and not neutral.

In addition, this page omits vast amounts of work that predates them, for instance the work of Dorset^[1] and Vainstein^[2] and many others. The idea of using selected area diffraction in two dimensions or three dimensions goes back more than fifty years (particularly in the USSR).

Finally, it also fails to disclose a commercial interest, and as such is selling a product.

The article should give a more unbiased view. While it can describe the authors method, it should cite and describe prior work and be more objective about the merits of the different approaches. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:45, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this article is about MicroED not about other methods. other methods are detailed quite well in the page on electron diffraction.

the group you are attacking did not "jump" on electron crystallography "quite late in 2013. They have been engaged in electron crystallography since 2000 and published seminal work in the cryo EM field of electron crystallography of membrane proteins from 3D crystals. 104.48.83.132 (talk) 04:29, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please balance the page so it includes appropriate representation of the work mentioned before as well as others such as that of Klug, Hofmoller, Kolb, Midgley and many others. (I can think of perhaps 20 more.) A novice will consider that this approach was a novel invention, not knowing that many others laid the groundwork.

Critically, as written this articles is one point of view, not neutral. All Wikipedia articles need to be balanced and neutral, more so that journal publications. You must also remove attacks on others. These are highly inappropriate, and could be considered as grounds for deletion.

Note: the article itself states that the method was developed in late 2013, which is ~80 years after the work by Cowley and Zachariesen, ~60 years after Vainstein's book. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note added 28 February 2023. User:Diffractometer101, Diffractometer101 please do not delete these comments, respond to them and also please balance the article. Your approach is interesting, and overselling is not needed. Thankyou in advance.

As some some specific ideas I suggest citing Boersch who showed in 1936 that electron microscopes could be used as micro-diffraction cameras with an aperture,^[3] the determination of the positions of hydrogen atoms in NH₄Cl crystals by Laschkarew and Usykin in 1933,^[4] boric acid by Cowley in 1953^[5] and orthoboric acid by Zachariasen in 1954.^[6] These are just a few. Giving prior credit matters.

References

^ Dorset, Douglas (1995). Structural Electron Crystallography. ISBN 978-1-4757-6621-9.
^ Vainstein, B.K. (1964), "Experimental Electron Diffraction Structure Investigations", Structure Analysis by Electron Diffraction, Elsevier, pp. 295–390, retrieved 2023-01-01
^ Boersch, H. (1936). "Über das primäre und sekundäre Bild im Elektronenmikroskop. II. Strukturuntersuchung mittels Elektronenbeugung". Annalen der Physik (in German). 419 (1): 75–80. doi:10.1002/andp.19364190107.
^ Laschkarew, W. E.; Usyskin, I. D. (1933). "Die Bestimmung der Lage der Wasserstoffionen im NH4Cl-Kristallgitter durch Elektronenbeugung". Zeitschrift fur Physik (in German). 85 (9–10): 618–630. doi:10.1007/BF01331003. ISSN 1434-6001.
^ Cowley, J. M. (1953). "Structure analysis of single crystals by electron diffraction. II. Disordered boric acid structure". Acta Crystallographica. 6 (6): 522–529. doi:10.1107/S0365110X53001423. ISSN 0365-110X.
^ Zachariasen, W. H. (1954). "The precise structure of orthoboric acid". Acta Crystallographica. 7 (4): 305–310. doi:10.1107/S0365110X54000886. ISSN 0365-110X.

[1] Dorset, Douglas (1995). Structural Electron Crystallography. ISBN 978-1-4757-6621-9.

[2] Vainstein, B.K. (1964), "Experimental Electron Diffraction Structure Investigations", Structure Analysis by Electron Diffraction, Elsevier, pp. 295–390, retrieved 2023-01-01

[3] Boersch, H. (1936). "Über das primäre und sekundäre Bild im Elektronenmikroskop. II. Strukturuntersuchung mittels Elektronenbeugung". Annalen der Physik (in German). 419 (1): 75–80. doi:10.1002/andp.19364190107.

[4] Laschkarew, W. E.; Usyskin, I. D. (1933). "Die Bestimmung der Lage der Wasserstoffionen im NH4Cl-Kristallgitter durch Elektronenbeugung". Zeitschrift fur Physik (in German). 85 (9–10): 618–630. doi:10.1007/BF01331003. ISSN 1434-6001.

[CowleyII-5] Cowley, J. M. (1953). "Structure analysis of single crystals by electron diffraction. II. Disordered boric acid structure". Acta Crystallographica. 6 (6): 522–529. doi:10.1107/S0365110X53001423. ISSN 0365-110X.

[6] Zachariasen, W. H. (1954). "The precise structure of orthoboric acid". Acta Crystallographica. 7 (4): 305–310. doi:10.1107/S0365110X54000886. ISSN 0365-110X.

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