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Good articleMilan Lucic has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
January 25, 2010Good article nomineeListed

Nationality?[edit]

How is he Serbian if he was born in Canada? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.201.66 (talk • contribs)

Was not my edit, but if you look at the definition of nationality, you will see it is "a relationship between a person and their state of origin, culture, association, affiliation and/or loyalty." Seeing as he is a second generation Canadian, it is correct to put that as his nationality. --64.46.2.61 03:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't he have a closer affiliation with Canada, and be culturuly more Canadian than Serbian? He is after all born and raised in Canada. Is Jovanovski Yugoslavian or Canadian? Which national team would Lucic play for? Or better yet, if you asked him, would he answer "I'm Serbian" or "I'm Canadian"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.172.106 (talk • contribs)
He played for the Canadian Junior team, so would that not mean that he is Canadian?
Well, then why does he have a permanent tattoo of a Serbian shield on his back and speak fluent Serbian? Yes he was born in Canada, but he was brought up to be culturally Serbian. Personally, I think he's proud of being both Serbian AND Canadian. What's wrong with being Serbian? What's wrong with being both Serbian and Canadian? I thought Canadian history taught us to be Canadian and yet embrace multiculturalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.69.85 (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If he was born in japan, would he be of japanese nationality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.168.150 (talk) 04:14, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is the ONLY Wikipedia entry of a person where I've seen this. How ridiculous is this. He's born in Canada. Raised in Canada. Played for the Canadian national junior team. Therefore, he's Canadian. He's of Serbian heritage, but he's Canadian. You THINK he's proud of his Serbian heritage? Fine. Good. But it doesn't change the fact that he's Canadian. Factual. Wikipedia isn't a place for pride or feelings, it's a place for facts. No where else would people call him a "Serbian hockey player". Leave it alone, or we'll just end up having to lock down the article.Greg Salter (talk) 10:59, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I dont buy that modern crap if a person is born 'in Canada so he is Canadian'. The correct term for me is that he is Serbian nationality (and probably has only Serbian background for generations) but Canadian citizenhip (I am not from Serbia btw). But I dont care really so I wont go there. What I think needs to be corrected is his parents name/lastname. Borivoje Lucic was born in Serbia, therefore the correct spelling is Borivoje Lučić. And his mother's name is Snežana (also born in Serbia). I will edit only that.Ratipok (talk) 16:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Milan Lučić was one of the General Sponsors of the Serbian Days held in June of 2009, 2010 and this past weekend in 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.118.211 (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Playing Career?[edit]

Is there any reference for this buffalo stampede? I looked online and couldn't find anything. It sounds unbelievable to me, but I am leaving it until somebody else looks at it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkonert (talk • contribs) 00:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IP 66.63.80.177[edit]

For the past two weeks, IP address 66.63.80.177 has been consistently creating a Personal life section to include insignificant information about a girlfriend after being repeatedly removed. Can we block that address or get protection on this article? Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 05:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination[edit]

I have to contest on a basic premise: the use of diacriticals in the article. The use of diacriticals for European-based hockey articles is uncontested. This is not one. Lucic is a Vancouver-born Canadian national, and diacriticals are not used in his name in Canada. They should be removed here, and the article renamed appropriately. Barring some evidence that Milan Lucic himself uses diacriticals to spell his name - certainly no team with which he's been associated from juniors on forward or the media do - I'll do so myself within a couple days.  Ravenswing  10:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In agreement with RG. Other examples are Paul Stastny & Yan Stastny. -- GoodDay (talk) 16:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, having nominated this for GA, I should have been on the ball with a quicker response. At any rate, I don't have any objection to the move. Thought it was nice to pay homage to his ethnic background that way, but I do agree his identity as a Canadian is stronger. Here's to hoping it passes GA. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 23:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Milan Lucic/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to the main review shortly. Before I do, here's a couple issues I noticed on a skim read:

  • WP:LEAD needs expanding.
  • Make sure all the refs contain all necessary information in the links. For example, refs #7 and 10 need access dates, ref #17 should add the author's name, I'm sure there are others where a name can be added.
  • Comment The 'Early Life section is written somewhat awkwardly. "Growing up, Lucic attended Killarney Secondary[6] and was diagnosed with Scheuermann's disease, " These things are not related, or maybe, he was diagnosed while attending the school? The immigrant status of his parents is repeated. You can probably leave it out of the first sentence, instead probably stating their descent, e.g. of Serbian descent. ʘ alaney2k talkʘ 03:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I've addressed all the above concerns. I hope I've taken care of them correctly. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the rest of the review.

  • The lead still feels a bit short to me, though at the same time he has most of his career yet to be played, so I won't worry about this.
  • While the first vancouver paragraph is mostly unsourced, it's mainly stats, so while sources would be nice for the numbers I won't force it if that's any issue.
  • "In the 2007 off-season, Lucic signed an entry-level contract with the Bruins on August 2, 2007." Having 2007 in there twice makes it feel redundant; reword.
  • "His first goal came a week later on October 12, a game-winner against Jonathan Bernier in an 8–6 win against the Los Angeles Kings." If they won by two, how was it a 'game winner' then?

I'll put it on hold and pass when this is fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:30, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment- i've fixed some refs and added some missing bits like date and accessdate to some, i have also used webcite on some refs that caused problems to the toolserver, now all links are alive and fully functional. i still think the lead needs a little expansion although i do understand it is not easy. great job with the alt text, they always ask for it for FA Mephiston999 (talk) 13:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • For the Persondata, could you actually fill it out? I don't think just putting in the template does anything. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks fixed now. It passes all the GA criteria, and as such I will pass this article as a GA. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 01:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Wizardman for passing and also to Mephiston999 for helping address the concerns. In regards to the game winning goal, however, a GWG is credited to a player when he scores the goal that puts his team one goal ahead of the opposing team at the end of the game. This stat does not take into account whether or not the winning team won by one or more goals. You can see the definition at Ice hockey statistics. I'm going to restore the game winning goal statement in the article, but if there is still an objection, I will gladly remove it until the dispute is resolved. Thanks again. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 06:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lucic-Ryan Miller incident[edit]

I added this but it was quickly expunged by an editor:

On November 12th, 2011, Lucic earned the ire of Buffalo Sabres goalie Ryan Miller after colliding with him at a high rate of speed, as he was chasing down a puck drifting towards the Sabres' goal line. Miller left the game, but stuck around the locker room to comment: "Fifty pounds on me and he runs me like that? It's unbelievable. Everyone in this city sees him as a big, tough, solid player. I respected him for how hard he played. That was gutless. Gutless piece of shit."[1][2]

The editor claimed it was 'not important'. I'd like to hear some other opinions. As I said to the fellow, it's highly unusual for an NHL player to let loose with profanity to the media, which makes this a rather interesting and notable episode I feel. I came across it this morning on TSN.ca, which is a major news outlet here in Canada. Vranak (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I answered this on my talk page, but I removed since I doubt in the long run people will consider it important. Lucic wasn't suspended or fined for the incident and Miller doesn't appear seriously injured. Hot Stop talk-contribs 17:23, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I personally wouldn't object to its inclusion in the article.. maybe the quote could be truncated a bit. But I do agree that the incident right now has borderline notability. I wouldn't be surprised if something comes of it between the two teams in their next few meetings, in which case, it would be more justifiable to include. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see he's got a disciplinary hearing with Shanny tomorrow (1pm EST) so we'll see how that goes. Also, Ryan Miller is now out with a concussion -- this raises notability surely. Vranak (talk) 03:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO If he's suspended it deserves a single sentence. 'On November ??, 2011 Lucic was suspended ? game(s) for <technical name of violation by league> Ryan Miller in a game on November 12, 2011.' In probably half the games there's some sort of beef between players and it would bloat the articles if we added every he said-he said about every incident.Cube lurker (talk) 14:40, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are, as I see it, at least four distinct reasons why this is an unusual circumstance that warrants mention:

  • Miller has been awarded the highest honors possible within his profession, the Vezina and the MVP of the Olympics. Normally when you get profanity used by one player against another, it's from, how shall I say, rather more marginal players.
  • Miller specifically stuck around till the end of the game to air his grievances to the media, despite suffering a concussion.
  • It ties into the larger issue of Lucic in particular and then Bruins in general (cf. Chara-Pacioretty) having a reputation for thuggery.
  • It's rare for such damning words to be spoken to media regarding another player. Normally there's at least a pretense of civility. Miller did preface his harshest words with a qualifier ("I respected him for how hard he played") but then slammed him unequivocally ("Gutless piece of shit"). Vranak (talk) 16:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that he stuck around shows the injury wasn't too serious. Also he wasn't pulled after the hit, but rather after he allowed three goals in the next period (which I'm sure is just a coincidence). Hot Stop talk-contribs 16:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) This is exactly my concern about weight. We're now editorializing by deciding that one players words mean more than others, that an uncited reputation effect our decisions, and that because one player used harsher language than others, that it needs to be included. By sticking to the facts, that's the best way to prevent our own POV's from slipping in.Cube lurker (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly he wasn't critically injured (or else this entire issue would be a slam-dunk), but Miller is 'out indefinitely', so this was plainly a serious collision. Vranak (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And Cube Lurker, you say POV is creeping in -- I say you two are whitewashing a rather heinous (or at least grievous) action by Lucic. But we'll see what Shanahan has to say. If there's no suspension, I'll walk away. Vranak (talk) 16:27, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not whitewashing, giving my opinion on the talk page. I do have a POV and while I belive my comments here are based wikipedia policy, I have no intention of editing the actual article in regards to this situation. Seeing how it plays out I may seek a neutral opinion, but I won't attempt to personaly enact my view.Cube lurker (talk) 16:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For reference here's the just released statement from the NHL regarding the hit. No supplimental discipline for Lucic.[1]

Ok -- I resign from this cause then. Vranak (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Who's the IDIOT who put up the war criminal link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plock99 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dobrivoje "Dobro" Lucic[edit]

Rest in peace to Milan's father Dobro.

Dobrivoje Lucic was born into a Serb family in 1956 in Praca in today's Republika Srpska, Bosnia and Herzegovina. He completed grade one to grade four in the village of Dobra Voda in the municipality of Modrica. From grade five to grade eight he attended school in Praca. His mother passed away when Dobrivoje was very young. He had a sister named Rada who is two years older than him. Dobrivoje's father Milivoje (d. 2005) married a woman from Glamoc and they led a very successful butcher shop and cafe in Praca. Immediately upon moving to Praca, Dobrivoje began working very hard physical labour in the butcher shop working all types of jobs giving him impressive physical strength and physique at a young age. Hard labour and getting up early in the morning never let him get his grades down. Full of strength and positivity, he was an exemplary young man. He completed high school in Sarajevo where he worked as a train operator. After high school, he completed the University of Sarajevo Law School but never worked as a lawyer because he worked in the family business the entire time. He played in all categories from youth to senior level for FK Jahorina Praca. When he reached the senior side, he was noted for his physical never-give-up attitude and was very good at heading the ball home. He even played a few trial matches for FK Sarajevo and FK Zeljeznicar. He moved to Canada aged 27 where he found work as a longshoreman. He married Snezana Kesa who arrived from Yugoslavia with her family at the age of two. They had three children: soccer goalkeeper Jovan (b. 1987), NHL player Milan (b. 1988) and Nikola (b. 1990).

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  1. ^ TSN.ca Staff (November 13, 2011). "Sabres' Miller has harsh words for Lucic after hit". Retrieved November 13, 2011.
  2. ^ Vogl, John (November 12, 2011). "Injured Miller calls out Lucic; Gaustad 'embarrassed' by Sabres' lack of response". Retrieved November 13, 2011.

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