Talk:Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani

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Indeed Kashmir (India) and Iran are both Aryan civilizations and Sanskrit and Avestan just too close. Like many parts of the globe Kashmir has influenced many regions (usually very large mainly due to Buddhism) it has also been influenced. However Kashmir has her own unique culture which is understood when you study the Rajataringini. Remember Tajikestan and Afghanistan (the home of Zoroaster) are very close to Kashmir and vice-versa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.173 (talk) 18:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Repeatedly the section on his treatment of Hindus in Kashmir is being deleted. Inspite of the fact that all this is well documented in Hamdani's own book 'Zakhirat ul mulk'. This is a well known fact in Kashmir. I dont understand what purpose is being served by distorting this bit of the history of Kashmir. Kashmiri0000 (talk) 15:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashmiri0000 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC) (115.117.141.174 (talk) 07:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

The Khankah of Syed Ali Hamadani(RA) is not built on the ruins of any kali temple but at the place of Royal Inn of sultan Qutub Din.At that time it was just a stone platform and later during the reign of sultan Sikander,Shah Hamadans son,Mir Muhammad Hamadani,purchased the said site from sultan Sikander and built a Khankah and a mosque there.The said sale deed,between the sultan and Mir Muhammad Hamadani(RA),written on a deer hide,is till present in the Khankah,Sringar,Kashmir.The kali temple story is fabricated and was spread during the dogra rule.Historians prior to that period dont mention any such story.(115.117.141.174 (talk) 07:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

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What is the person's given name?[edit]

Are the words "Mir" and "Sayyid" titles, or a part of the subject's personal legal name? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:25, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hazrat Ali (Ra) Sani Said-Ul-Auliya Sayyid Ali Hamadani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Said-Ul-Auliya (talk • contribs) 06:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quick scan of available sources appears to suggest that "Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani" (or variants) is how he is known both in South Asia and in Tajikistan. See, [1], name over the gate on this mausoleum [2], etc. — kashmiri ^TALK 07:44, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please give title Hazrat Ali (Ra) Sani Said-ul-Auliya Sayyid Ali hamadani means 2nd Ali He is know a Hazrat Ali (Ra) Sani in all old books and name as Said-ul-Auliya Sayyid Ali Hamadani

No. Wikipedia does not honorific titles in the names of articles.

@Kashmiri: so you're sure that neither "mir" nor "sayyid" are honorific titles in this case? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:45, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MezzoMezzo: They certainly are, but here it appears a case of WP:COMMONNAME (just like Sayyid Mir Jan, Sayyid Mahmud Agha, etc. - akin to Saint Peter, etc.), based on sources from different ages and languages. Although I won't certainly fight to keep it this way. — kashmiri ^TALK 07:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Brill has "Sayyid Ali Hamadani" (p. 204). Drmies (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: This book alone does not convince me, and the Romanisation style used all over adds to the feeling that Author follows the Arabic tradition in personal names which somewhat differs from the South Asian usage. There is a good degree of overlap between titles, names and family names in South Asia (but also elsewhere). "Sheikh" and "Mir" for instance are popular surnames in Kashmir, even as their use as inseparable part of a person's name is common (Sheikh Hasina article is a good place to start). I won't revert if you move the page but I think the WP:COMMONNAME rule is sufficient to keep the current version.

Another issue is the ongoing disruptive editing by a devotee. The article was semi-ed a couple of times and the main editor SPI'ed to no avail. Feel like semi-protecting it for another few months? — kashmiri ^TALK 07:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments following GOCE copy-edit[edit]

In response to a request for a copy-edit at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, I have just finished copy-editing the article. I added a few "clarification needed" tags with hidden notes to editors that can be removed when the issues are resolved. I just want to say that, in those notes, I used the pronoun "you" once or twice. In the course of copy-editing articles in response to requests at GOCE, I sometimes leave "clarification needed" tags with hidden notes and questions that are really directed at the person who made the request, usually someone who has been working on the article. I realized after I saved the last one that in this case, the requester, Drmies, was not the one who was primarily working on this article, so I would just like everyone to understand "you" to mean anyone who is actively working on the article. – Corinne (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Claim about bringing shawl making to Kashmir[edit]

There is a claim in this article, cited by a book on Islam and World Religions, that the subject brought shawl making to Kashmir. This seems anachronistic. The subject lived in the 14th century. Kashmir had an established shawl-weaving industry by the 11th century. By the 13th century, Kashmiri shawls were being designed for sartorial purposes, and for export. In the 14th century, the industry was re-energised by Sultan Zain-ul-Abidin of Kashmir, who many authors (mistakenly) credit to starting the industry. In all this, there is no scope for Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani's entry... Can someone clarify? If not, I will delete that portion of the article. There are many cleanup tags on it and these claims cannot be easily verified anyway. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please go ahead, especially if you have sources at hand. You seem to have a better knowledge of the subject than many who edited the article. — kashmīrī ^TALK 09:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kashmiri (talk · contribs) Thanks very much. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Want to add detail[edit]

He is the most companion man that without any use of swords or war he has converted millions of people to islam, and he is the well known murshid of the cast NOORBAKSHIAH the popular cast from the Gilgit Baltistan as well as it belongs to ladakh and tibatian region as well. 206.84.145.21 (talk) 18:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]