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Moe's Mafia Ties

Moe seems to be involved with the mafia, since they often hang out in his backroom and play poker. maybe someone could add some info on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.83.90 (talk) 14:27, 6 November 2004 (UTC)

Moemar

Homer does call Moe "Momar", implying that he got this from police records; but for all we know it could be Moe's middle name, or a code name he used in some criminal operation, or a nickname given to him by big burly prisoners during a jail stint, or anything.

Yeah, that was in the "Springfield Connection" episode. Moe's reply was "Ix-nay on the Omar-may." My guess is that Momar is his real name. And even if "Morris" is used more elsewhere, Momar is a lot funnier. (Where do we get "Morris" from anyway?) 75.47.129.148 (talk) 07:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


Does anyone know what name Bart called for in "Flaming Moe's" and he actually got someone? Darac 11:46, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It was Hugh Jass. Adam Bishop 13:06, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Be careful writing pages about The Simpsons

UGH, you know what this article looks like? A ridiculous search for something that isn't there! I can't believe how silly all this discussion is, people wondering "how old is Moe," "what is his ethnicity" etc. I don't mean to take you all for morons, but it seems nobody realises that The Simpsons is a big bag of mixed up gags just to make a joke in each episode, and "facts" should never be recalled because they're contradicted all the time. The fact is, Moe is not characterised by all the information the episodes have hinted about him, but rather, he is characterised by the general personality he has been portrayed to have. And if you write an article about The Simpsons characters, you should never concentrate on "Moe's bar was once named..." but rather, "Moe has been created to be the sort of character who...etc, he is a satire of...etc." The writers laugh at us for writing these articles, and they mention it all the time--even Comic Book Guy (and don't tell me his "real name" mentioned in that 1 episode) is a parody of us. I think they were saying something when Homer asks, "Does anybody really care what this guy thinks?" If you write articles, don't write them from a fan-base, but from an encyclopedia base: who really IS Moe? (Not, "what do they say about him.") --tilgrieog

You pose a great comment. I think the reason why is so difficult to define "Moe" is that it's subjective. Moe is simple, yet complex. I agree that he is one of the few characters that are often the comic foil for many of the Simpsons jokes. Because this is so subjective, I believe that we can only postulate, much like Moe's age, and see what others think. sohmc 23:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I think it's great that you pose these questions/present these comments, but how about somewhere more general, why not help with the WikiProject, post some Style guides? —Fitch
Please sign and date your posts!       I would, but you used up all the room for signatures
Eh? Was that supposed to be a joke? The easiest way to sign your posts is to use four tildes (~) like this ~~~~. It's not that hard, and with practice, it can be quite fun! (YAY!) -[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] [[additions | e-mail]] 01:58, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Or help make The Simpsons Featured! We'll need all the help we can get! -[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] [[additions | e-mail]] 00:16, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly. We should re-write this to a reasonable size and to encyclopedic information. This is just presenting Simpsons jokes in an un-funny manner. --Anonymous

Moe's coughie buissness

In this article it says Moe disscovered Barney replaced his alchohol adiddiction with caffine, I thought he simply added alchohol to the coffie, and other parts of wikipedia agree with me. Witch is it? 193.120.116.178 (talk) 23:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

How Old Is Moe?

That question about how old Moe is - He's portrayed as older than Homer, but surely he can't be as old as Burns. In the episode where Homer finds the dead body, Moe is appears as about 15 when Homer is 10. This would stick him somewere in his mid 40's. That seems about right to me. It's possable that he lied about being one of the little rascals, just as he lied about creating the Flamin' Moe and the Rob Roy. --Crestville 20:40, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I read he was 44.

Since he has had a cow's heart implanted at some point, he claims to be aging 7x too fast anyway.Smurrayinchester 19:01, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

"is he in his late thirties to early forties like Homer Simpson or around 80, like Charles Montgomery Burns? " This line ought to be changed (to what i don't know) since Burns is well over 80.

Burns' age is even more questionable. Grandpa is meant to be in his 80s, and Burns has been depicted in as younger than Grandpa, but has also been dcescribed as a 120yr old and is George Burns' Older Brother.--Crestville 16:38, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stupid question, but I've never been able to get the Ivana Tinkle gag. What's the deal with it? 203.87.94.178 05:03, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You are supposed to think of "I want to tinkle", "tinkle" being a slang word for urination. Adam Bishop 13:52, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

He Is a retired boxer so he must be past reirment age i think he is mid to late 40s

Feelings for Marge

In Season 16, everyone who watched the Mommie Beerest episode knows that Moe finally told Marge he loved her. What about before? I know he would often make friendly comments to her and sometimes come dangerously close to her (like when he hugged her in traffic school). Were these signs of love, lust, or both?

The episode where Homer get's kicked out for telling their marital secrets in his adult school, Moe tries to move in on her.--Crestville 09:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

He was a Munz

He was a Munz in one show of the simpsons. can any mention this?

  • We possibly could, if you specify what exact episode it was on. Zzyzx11 | Talk 16:42, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • That's not exactly right, in Sleeping with the enemy Moe tries to move in on Nelson's mother, then Nelson's Father comes back, Moes goes off with the Muntz's, saying "Yeah, the four Muntz's", Nelson's father looks at him funnily though so he isn't in the family. So it's not completely right.

Czech / Slovak / Hungarian name

Actually, "sz" is not a valid consonant cluster in either Czech or Slovak. AFAIK, from the Eastern Europe, only Polish (pronounced "sh") and Hungarian (pronounced "s") have this cluster. bogdan | Talk 07:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

It's true that it's a valid "consonant cluster" (well, it actually counts as a letter of its own right) in Hungarian, but this name looks very "foreign" (Slavic) to me... --Karcsi 16:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Szyslak is clearly a Polish surname. Other suppositions can't be taken seriously, like the fact that he's Italian.There are not such kinds of surnames in Italy.

In the Season 6 DVD commentary for the Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 1 episode, they (the creators/writers) mention that in an effort to show small clues to who shot Burns, they had to give Moe a second name so that his initials were MS (because depending on perspective Burns pointed to M (or W) and S on the sundial). So they looked up names in a phone book and decided on Szyslak and put his full name in the background on a bartending licence as a clue. I think this means that all talk that Moe is Polish (or whatever) based on his last name should be removed from the article.

Jabso 15:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Pronounced backwards, his last name sounds similar to Kelsey's, like "Kelsey's Bar" in "All in the Family". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.199.191 (talk) 19:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Al Shamshoon - no moe's?

I can only find reference to the beer being soda. The only thing on the internet that says Moe's is cut completely is blogs and conjecture, but no articles say this, do they?

I read that in some newspapers...since it appeared in more than one newspaper I assume it must have been a wire story, probably AP or Reuters. I can't find anything on Google news though. Adam Bishop 06:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Rich Hall

Is it just me, or was Moe modelled on Rich Hall? --Alexs letterbox 08:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Moe wasn't modelled on Rich Hall. So it's just you :-) Martyn Smith 21:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Try again... http://chortle.co.uk/news/2007/09/24/5825/im_the_real_moe zippy.fuzz@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.45.23.86 (talk) 14:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Questions about Crank Calls

In the article, there's a crank call that asks for 'Moe Lester' that implies Moe's middle name. I don't remember that from any episode. Is it from a comic or video game? Can someone answer?

Well if you mean the Prank calls, I can't remember this one either. I'll ask a message board (that has a trivia section) later, they should know.--Kiyosuki 22:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is Wiki asking for citation of sources for this section? The crank calls are there for anyone to see and hear by merely watching the show Martyn Smith 21:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the episode but it's not meant to imply his middle name, it's asking for a Molester, just coincidence it is the same first name.Davie4264 14:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Voice actor clarification

Both Moe (and Mr. Burns) were originally voiced by a different actor, but he is not listed. Only Hank Azaria is listed in the case of Moe and Harry Shearer in the case of Burns. Their original actor is Christopher Collins. I was thinking that it should not only be part of the statistical table, but it should be written about in a paragraph somewhere. The wiki entry for Christopher Collins is not very complete, but IMDB has his resume, as does the wiki at Memory Alpha--Smacksaw 15:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Inconsistancy

If Moe is the "proprietor and sole bartender," how could he have "slept with his female fellow bartender, Colette"? --151.201.16.185 01:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't that a 'treehouse' episode? Teamgoon 00:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Colette was a temporary waitress in Flaming Moe's, sort of a Diane to Moe's Sam. --Jnelson09 04:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Red and the Tube Bar

Why does someone continue to remove references to Louis "Red" Deutsch and the Tube Bar? It is a known FACT that Matt Groening based both Moe and his bar on Red and the Tube bar! I understand the article may need some cleaning up, but to completely remove this vital piece of information is nothing more than VANDALISIM! Those of us into the 'prank call scene' consider Moe one of the most endearing characters on television! --Teamgoon 03:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not vandalism. And I removed it again. Here I removed two paragraphs that had been pretty much cut and paste from the main article on Mr. Deutsch. That's what the link is for - you can see his name is a link, and if somebody cared to read more, they can follow the article link. I have also expanded the section on Prank Calls, which is where the references to Mr. Deutsch should be in. I think that this: Moe is frequently the victim of prank double entendre telephone calls from Bart Simpson, often followed by a violent threat of vengeance from Moe. These prank calls were inspired by the Tube Bar prank calls, a series of prank calls placed in the mid-1970s. The two callers, John Elmo and Jim Davidson, made similar calls to the owner of the Tube Bar. After Deutsch realized that the call was a joke, he would spew out a series of profanity-laced threats. The recordings of these calls were widely circulated in the 1980s and 90s. is enough about the guy to give somebody a taste, and if they are interested, there are now 3 links to follow - Louis "Red" Deutsch, Tube Bar, and Tube Bar prank calls. Well, the 2nd is a redirect to the 3rd, but that's not my fault. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 13:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

"Mo" Szyslak?

In an IGN interview with Al Jean, there is a response by him written as:

Oh, it's really fun. I mean one of the reasons the show has lasted this long is that we can take these minor characters, like Mo; we have a great episode upcoming where he becomes a poet and then he meets Tom Wolfe, the author, and Michael Chabon and Jonathan Franzen and Gore Vidal. You know, it's great just to explore somebody like that.

Has his name been Mo the whole time, and we just didn't know? Or is it a typo? It could fit with the name of the bar, since plural of "Mo" is "Mos" which doesn't look as good as "Moes".

What do you think?

http://tv.ign.com/articles/730/730162p2.html (3rd Question)

Crazydog115 07:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It's most definitely 'Moe'. His name has appeared in print in countless places in the show, most notably on his business card advertising himself as an unlicensed surgeon. Also the name of the tavern is 'Moe's' with an apostrophe, so 'Moe's' and 'Mo's' would look equally good. So the only reason to write it as 'Moe's' is because that is the preferred spelling of 'Moe'. But since 'Moe' is just a short form of 'Morris', I guess there isn't really an 'official' spelling for Moe. But we have never seen any other spelling for it on the show itself, so I would say that the spelling in the interview is just a typo. From what I can tell, it was a spoken interview rather than a written one, so whoever wrote the transcript probably wasn't a Simpsons fan and just got the spelling wrong. Gorilla 322 02:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

For Moe's proper first name, instead of Morris isn't it "Maurice"

Listen to his bartender/girlfriend say his name in Flaming Moes 154.20.146.96 10:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC) Oct 14, 2006

It's impossible to tell which one should be canon, Morris or Momar, but it's more likely that Momar is. Since Moe seems to be embarassed about this, he may have told the waitress that Moe stood for Morris when she asked. I have no proof for this, but there's no proof that Morris is canon either, so I'll just leave things as they are and see what others think should be done before I take action. And it's definitely not Maurice.

Prank phone calls defeated by caller ID

This line was attached to the end of the prank phone call section:

"Most likely due to the invention of caller ID, Bart's calls to Moe have now stopped occurring;"

I deleted it. No where in the series has there ever been an indication that Bart has stopped prank calling Moe because of caller ID. Realistic advances in technology have never been an issue in stopping Simpson's humor before. A much more likely reason is that the writers, after so many years, have run out of gags and/or would rather do more fresh material. If someone has a good reason why the line should be put back in, go ahead, but its really superfluous and innaccurate as I understand it.

The prank calls were 'defeated' because the writers were finding them hard to write! There's no way to verify why Bart stopped doing it; jokes get old, and it just stopped. Simple as. KingDaveRa 18:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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Snake Handling

Doesn't Moe make a passing reference to being a snake handler at one point? 66.7.119.190 03:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


He was born a snake handler, and he'll die a snake handler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.30.129 (talk) 06:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


He made another reference in Eeny teeny maya mo, that he's not a devout snakehandler

References

Why on Earth is Wikipedia citing itself as a source?81.174.226.229 09:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Would it not simply be easier to cite the episodes in question directly? GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 13:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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References?

Why is this article citing other Wikipedia articles??? They are certainly not reliable sources. 140.247.131.86 (talk) 05:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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heritage

The page notes that his 'inner child' has an Itaian accent (from Bart's Inner Child, S05E07), but it doesn't note that he claims to be Dutch in one episode (I forget which one) - though one of the categories is Dutch-Americans. If his heritage could be worked into, I think that would be good JW (talk) 12:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

snake handler

Twice he refers to be a snake handler. Shouldn't that be in there somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.235.84 (talk) 18:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Moe: Not his First Name

In the most recent episode of The Simpsons (S20E16), about 9 minutes in, Moe says "So instead of getting a new bar sign, I saved three hundred bucks by changing my name to Moe". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.173.231 (talk) 05:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It was just a joke CTJF83Talk 05:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

That's true. It was in the episode eeny teeny maya moe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.100.129 (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Marge / "Midge"

"...infatuated with Marge Simpson, whom he mistakenly calls 'Midge'..." Do we have a citation for this? I've always been under the impression that it is more of either a personal nickname or colloquialism SpunkyLM (talk) 22:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done removed mistakenly, as he has called her it a few times. CTJF83 GoUSA 22:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

The Homer They Fall is another episode starring Moe

Someone please add it to the list!

Which list are you referring to? Moe has been in a large number of episodes and it would be highly difficult to name them all if I could find such a list SpunkyLM (talk) 19:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpunkyLM (talk • contribs)

Inspiration for Moe's character?

I see that Louis "Red" Deutsch is credited for the inspiration for Moe's looks, but didn't Matt Groening once say Rich Hall was the inspiration? And Rich Hall has even used this as a joke for his "Live At The Apollo" performance. Quote " here you go your majesty. moe, the bartender from the Simpsons" i think this needs to be changed. im still looking for a source for this but if i find one i'l change it User:Jamie Kelly

Can't find any definite answers anywhere, but the BBC website states "...Hall is also widely reported to have been the inspiration for bartender Moe Syzlak on the TV cartoon The Simpsons.". There are also various sites that mention the likeness between the two physically. I think it is likely to be true to be honest, with Louis Deutsch only inspiring the prank calls, but I say that without evidence to support either way, the inspiration should be omitted or at least modified to say that there is some debate about it. SpunkyLM (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to the BBC site. CTJF83 GoUSA 22:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A13996380 - Under "A Proper Job" at the end of the first paragraph UPDATE: I've also just noticed reference 15 citing Louis Deutsch as the inspiration is a dead link and that reference 16 (http://www.orange.co.uk/entertainment/television/22726.htm) also already states that Rich Hall "has always claimed he was actually the inspiration for the Simpsons character Moe the barman". I don't know if that is a good enough citation though (I'm new to this), as it's a website quoting him indirectly from a UK newspaper (although if it isn't a good enough source, the reference should be removed). SpunkyLM (talk) 00:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure about your BBC site, it looks like a wiki site like this that anyone can edit, and there is not reliable. CTJF83 GoUSA 00:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I've asked User:Scorpion0422 to provide insight, as he is good at this kinda stuff. CTJF83 GoUSA 00:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure about whether the entire character was based on Deutsch, but his reactions to Bart's prank calls were. As for Rich Hall, he himself has claimed this, [1] but as far as I can tell, Groening himself has never confirmed this. -- Scorpion0422 00:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
So if we are unsure, should it be fixed to reflect that it's not 100% certain? SpunkyLM (talk) 05:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpunkyLM (talk • contribs)
SpunkyLM, please remember to sign your post by typing ~~~~ CTJF83 GoUSA 20:03, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Moe's ethnicity

I'm fairly certain that Szyslak is a Polish name. I'm not sure whether or not this would be appropriate to include in the article, but this seems to me like the biggest piece of evidence in suggesting Moe's ethnicity that exists. Like I said, I'm not sure whether or not it would be appropriate to do this, but I think speculation on his ethnicity based on his surname should be in the article. Also, in which episode is it mentioned that Moe is Polish? Anonymous26 (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

First, speculation = OR, which is not cool, second, I don't recall an episode where it is said he is Polish, I do recall one where he says he is Dutch, and third, either way, it is all trivial, and in no way important to his character. CTJF83 chat 05:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Moe's name

As far as I'm aware, the only evidence for your use of "Momar" is him being called that by Homer once, and it was implied that this was his original name and that he was an illegal immigrant (the latter of which has been implied several other times as well). However, he has been referred to as "Maurice", in "Flaming Moe". As such, it seems to me that there is no greater justification for your labelling him as "Momar" than there is for "Maurice". 87.113.134.99 (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Moe in all episodes

It seems that Moe appears on every episode, it should be included but I don't find how to confirm it, anyone knows something about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.14.216.179 (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

The URL is wrong?

There are two URLs for Moe Szyslak. One reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_Syzlak

Is this common, and even on purpose?

Besserwissern (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirects of common misspellings are commonplace.Zythe (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
See WP:REDIRECT CTF83! 05:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Edna Krabbapel

In The Seemingly Never-ending Story, it's implied that Moe and Edna used to be in love. The ending makes it look like they still are. Any thoughts/opinions?

You know, I sort of like the concept of MoexEdna, but when they were together at the end of the episode, Edna said so herself that she was just desperate. However, I think that Moe is still in love with Edna. But, whatever, who knows? Edna might get back with Skinner and Moe may still be in love with Marge, as he as been since Season 5.

Edna die dude sorry😅 Arga the Impaler (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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Ethnic heritage

Is Moe Szyslak of Polish heritage? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 09:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Fictional Boxer?

"Shouldn't Moe also be under fictional boxers?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.2.108.101 (talk) 21:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

That was a one-episode joke. If it became a regular part of his character - such as hitting on Midge, or his attempted suicides - then maybe, but not yet I think. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:58, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Nick kennett

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