Talk:Monarchy Party

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Well it's started. I've started a Monarchy Party page. I was the keeper of the records and history of the Monarchy Party and since it's linked to several promintent and modern politicians who grew out of FSU politics, it seems approprate to get the hisroty down somewhere people can find.

I will be updating this as time goes on.

Ghengis Cohen Ghengiscohen 23:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How do I do citations for newspaper articles to Wikipedia's satisfaction. The instructions are confusing to me. I would like to have little numbers pointing to references at the bottom of the page for the most part. I have all the reference artciles from publications in hand.

Ghengiscohen 03:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, in order to cite sources, you might check out Wikipedia:Citations_quick_reference or Wikipedia:Citing_sources. --Xyzzyplugh 11:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And, if the instructions are confusing, you might just look at an article which has lots of citations in it, such as George W. Bush, and see how it's done there. Edit the article, look at how it was done there, and imitate the same thing here. --Xyzzyplugh 11:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Man I've tried, but the examples are not clear. I've looked at code, and I'm sure I'll get it in time,but not yet. I've gotten foot notes working, but the numbering system seems stuck on 1 for everything in the citations, it numbers within the document.

Also a lined footnot, not going to the bottom seens to have it's own number system. I am confused.

In general, is this artical coming together. I will have about 20 references when done, I have to track down some data, I unwisly photocopied some articles from places like the London Times, without keeping track of reference information. I'll have to look those up again to build those citations (and I will, just give me a little time).

Please feel free to direct me or to correct my mark up if needed.

Ghengiscohen 16:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My edits[edit]

I've tried to fix the references in this article. I found the previous system rather confusing, so I may have misinterpreted the initial intentions in places, but I'll explain what I did.

The article was previously using a ref/note system of footnoting. There is now a simpler system known as cite.php. Under this system if you need to make a reference to Anderson, 1966, you simply include the reference text within tags like this: <ref>Anderson, 1966</ref> This is done immediately after the text it is referencing. At the end of the article you should include a references section, with just the text <references/>, which will automatically produce all the references you have listed, with links between it and the text. You can see how this works in the article.

I may have made some errors. The inital references were not listed in the order that they were called - I have kept the what the references stated they were for which is probably correct. You should check that all the references link to what you expect them to link to, though. Also, when an inline link appeared I assumed it was meant as a reference and have formatted it as such. If this was not the case then you may need to revert some or all of my last edit.

Hope this helps. If you need any further assistance then let me know. --Cherry blossom tree 22:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You[edit]

Thank you, I think I understand from what you did, what you did. It looks like you got all the references connected to the correct place. I'll go through with a fine tooth comb, probably next weekend if that delay is ok. In general, does the format of what I've done look ok, I am new at this. Ghengiscohen 23:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All the references are now correct, thanks again for fixing this Ghengiscohen 01:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It all looks fine to me. If you have any Wikipedia-specific problems in future then you can ask them at the help desk and someone usually answers pretty sharpish. --Cherry blossom tree 22:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trey Traviesa[edit]

Trey Traviesa references were removed (badly) along with half the reference to his interaciton with the monarchy party. Reference is to a debate he had with the Monarchy Party's King Jon when he ran for Student Body President. In that debate he outilend much of what he still outlines, and it was framed as a slam against the monarchy party and what it stands for. Sometime later there was also a mention in a later issue of this newspaper about Trey getting into a dunking booth and the water beading off his hair when he went down. Sadly this fact does not seem to fit in any article for Wikipedia. Perhapse I should start a dunking booth stub. Ghengiscohen 21:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Holy cow[edit]

My lord, I've just come upon this page, and I must say it is lovingly documented. I was a Monarchy senator c. 1990 for the School of Music and remember those days fondly. A fellow senator from Chemistry, the electric guitarist Mike Dietrich, may still live in Tally but I'm in Ohio now. Great job. Badagnani 02:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome Home

Thank you, I did most of this (Gregory C.) with help from King Andrew, Bucky, Sharon M, and a few others. There were a few Monarchy Party references in Wikipedia, and they were leading nowhere. I started a Stub, and the rest is ... well here.

I sort of felt since I had all the clippings and it could be well documented, it should be. I think I'm going to do Marshall Ledbetters page next. I've been half hardidly working on it. It has terrible errors on it, and I have some of the docmentation. Ghengiscohen 11:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Belin[edit]

I believe it was "Belin," not "Belen." Badagnani 02:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maryland Monarchy candidates[edit]

Didn't the Maryland Monarchy Party run a cat for student government? And didn't they also run a tape recorder for Secretary, saying that it could take more accurate minutes than any human? Badagnani 02:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very early in its history, the Maryland U. Monarchists ran a mannequin named "Thorgood the Nude." I recall this prompted some changes to the SGA candidacy rules. - Dirk M 31OCT07

Apostrophe[edit]

It's my memory that "The Kings English" did not include an apostrophe in its title. Can you check on old issues to verify this? Badagnani 03:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"You are correct, there is no Apostrophe there. Ghengiscohen 11:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Senators[edit]

You might want to mention the comparatively large number of student senators who won c. 1990 (or was it '91 or '92?) -- as well as some of the names they ran under, such as "Sir Loin of Beef." Badagnani 03:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh this happened for a few years, three I think. I was in the first group who did this. Go for it, add a mention :) Ghengiscohen 11:12, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To add[edit]

Information about the number of senators who were elected to the Student Senate each year,

I have some of this information, at least from the early years, do we want to do an election by election breakdown or results?Ghengiscohen 11:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe just the number of seats won in comparison to the total number of senators? I think it was like 20 percent or something, the year I was involved. Badagnani 11:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the positions these senators took (usually in opposition to the dominant Seminole Party). Notable among these was opposition to the athletic fee (which forced all students to pay for an entire season of football tickets as part of their tuition) and University Center.

I think I may have an old flambeau article about this too. It will take a while to dig out and get the reference.Ghengiscohen 11:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was related to the University Center, which the administration had claimed they wouldn't use the athletic fee to construct, but we later found out they did use that money. I think Monarchy people got 8 thousand signatures against the athletic fee, if I remember correctly. Some of us attended a meeting of the Board of Regents at the Capitol on this issue but they wouldn't let anybody speak but one (I forget who that was). Badagnani 11:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This was after my time, so go for it. My question is this article about documenting what the monarchy part did, or who they were. I saw this as more of a documentation of the party, but not of the politics (not that this did not go hand in hand, and not that I am against it) At a certain point this could be expanded to a few dozen pages if we wanted to. I was trying to keep up with what I could specifically document. Does that sound like an unreasonable direction. Add what we can reasonably document? Or should we do more. As I understand it, although we were witnesses of this, Wikipedia is for documented information (no primary sources). Ghengiscohen 22:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The mystique, pageantry, and inexplicable Monty Python-esque sense of humor that you guys put together, combined with the King's "commanding" presence, was irresistable to many at the beginning. But the couple of years of concrete activity that the actual Monarchy senators were able to get done in spite of the Seminole Party majority which we were lampooning all along seems important too. It wouldn't have to be a long description, just the number of senators who were elected and in which years, and a couple of the major things they fought for/against, worked on, etc. Wish I had the clippings at hand. Badagnani 01:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this comes because I was at the start and you were at the end. I felt at the end much of the humor was lost, and that the part became just another party. At the beginning we had too much humor perhaps.

I wasn't at the very end. I agree that under Jeannie Belin there wasn't any humor left (just the name, really) because she didn't even call herself a queen and they didn't use the fanciful titles. But we did have titles the year I ran, and there was a lot of humor in the student government meetings, what we were able to put int. Badagnani 02:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monarchy candidates for Senate promised that they would not use their experience in the Student Senate on their resumes at any time in the future.

Wouldn't this go well under the platform section?Ghengiscohen 11:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The significant number of musicians and other artists who were members. Badagnani 07:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh sweet jeebus, I'm glad to see that the history of the Monarchy party lives and spreads. Of course, it would be great to hear more about what folks once active in the party have gone on to do, even if just in the discussion section here. I entirely lost track of Chuck. Frank, last I checked, is in Baltimore. I randomly ran across Andrew at a swing dance gathering in Baltimore. I'm now a prof in DC. One thing I don't see mentioned: the platform of a campus moat. Various locations were suggested, as were alternative swills to fill it with. Cheers, J. Windmueller --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.141.18 (talk • contribs)

What was your Monarchy name? I forget. Badagnani 18:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kings English[edit]

The kings english was a college humor magazine of sorts and has been quoted in several news paper articles about it being one of the better humor publications around. Since it is not it's own page, does that mean that the college humor and publication links are not deserved? Although defunct it ran for three years, and the FSU library to my surprise has stored copies of it in its special collection as a college publication. Ghengiscohen 01:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Categories cover the article, not items within it. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monarchy Party versus Monarchist Party[edit]

I realize this is a bit picky, but as one who was associated with numerous folk involved in the reign of "King Tom" at the University of Maryland, I wish to point out that at Maryland, it was known as the "Monarchist Party"--not the "Monarchy Party," which, I guess, is the correct name for the group in Florida.

I would have made the correction myself, but I'm really not sure how to edit this particular article when the name IS correct for one group it references, but is NOT correct for the other one.

76.111.103.62 (talk) 00:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Badagnani (talk) 00:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Deletion[edit]

None of the citations are from reputable sources, most are not permalinks and now broken. Article claims notability from The Washington Post and The Times, but no citations for it. Timeraner (talk) 00:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (Because it covers an unique alternative form of student government based on royalty that for the most part worked. Granted it is a SGA and not an important national political party but the rare example of a reactive form of governance evolving is in itself interesting and noteworthy if looking at political parties that are deliberately created to go against the establishment [i.e. the Pirate Party UK]) --Septagram (talk) 04:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have decliend the speedy deletion, see above. DES ^(talk) 04:37, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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