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Safe School?[edit]

The statement that Murphy is known as a safe school compared to other schools in the system. Specifically, what other schools? Davidson? Vigor? Mary G. Montgomery? There is no citation nor is it fair to other schools in the district. Thus, I'm removing until a citation and further details can be provided. Goeverywhere 03:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

Can someone please help find a two pictures of the school? One from carlen street obviously, and hopefully one from above to show murphy's "collegiate" style campus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatemptyfeeling (talk • contribs) 03:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to take some next time I'm in town. I think perhaps there are probably old archive photos old enough to have expired copyrights. /Blaxthos 03:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I checked on the Library of Congress website, no historic photos were there. I would bet that the Mobile Municipal Archives & USA Archives would have some. I live in Mobile and will keep taking some photos of the school in mind next time that I'm in that area with my camera. -Altairisfar (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mohian[edit]

Hasn't the Mohian been considered a distinguished annual and been awarded by whomever awards such things? Something like Gold Crown or similar, if memory serves. I'll try to do some digging, but is anyone familiar with that subject matter? /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 09:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

/Blaxthos ( t / c ) 09:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

S.S. designation[edit]

I am removing the S.S. designation from the article as the official websites for both the Mobile County School System and Murphy High School list the school simply as "Murphy High School" and not as "S.S. Murphy High School". Though the school was renamed after Samuel Silenus Murphy, I have found nothing to indicate that it was ever called by his complete name or initials. If anyone has sources to prove otherwise, please comment and add them as support for this. -Altairisfar (talk) 04:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I expanded the History section to include desegregation, added references to the existing material in that section with reworking of the material to avoid a copyright violation (It had apparently been copy/pasted right into the article). Did some minor clean-up per MOS. -Altairisfar (talk) 05:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The school commonly refers to itself as "S.S. Murphy" in formal settings (or used to), though in secondary and subsequent usage the S.S. is often dropped. See this Alabama State Department of Education Report Card which refers to "S.S. Murphy High School". //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 17:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Randolph Parker[edit]

Editor Antsuyi (talk · contribs) has repeatedly inserted text regarding criminal actions of a former Murphy student. The passage is not suitable for inclusion for the following reasons:

WP:NPOV - The passage reads like an editorial, and does not neutrally present factual information.
WP:UNDUE - In an article about a school approaching a century old that has graduated tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of students, listing the actions of one constitutes undue weight.
WP:NOT - We are not a news service. Ironically, the section is entitled "In the News".

Additionally, the disruptive manner in which the passage has been repeatedly inserted constitutes vandalism. If it continues, it should be taken to WP:AIV. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Blaxthos. Altairisfar _talk 23:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 August 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Murphy High School (Alabama) → Murphy High School, Alabama – My move was reverted by User:Ansh666 as "Improper DAB form". I created a RfC on the issue here and it appears both forms are acceptable and consensus is to be assessed on a case by case basis. I prefer using a comma as it is the most WP:NATURAL. jamacfarlane (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per WP:COMMADIS, its a place in Alabama, not an instance of Alabama. There's no reason why places that aren't settlements shouldn't be comma disambiguated. Most other countries put the country or state as a disambigator if (and only if) needed. There's no reason why settlements in the US should get commas even if not needed but other types of places get brackets. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per WP:AT, good article titles are "consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles." Currently our titles for articles on public high schools in Alabama (and schools across the country) are quite consistent in using parentheses when they need to be disambiguated; changing this to a mix of two different forms to be somehow chosen on a case-by-case basis doesn't seem like an improvement and would probably just lead to more RMs and title instability. WIthout a compelling reason to move, the current title scheme should be retained. Also: COMMADIS notes that appending the name of the higher-level administrative division as a disambiguator is something we often do for place names, but personally I wouldn't consider an institution like a school to be a geographical place in the same way as towns or other settlements — which are what the placename, state form is most closely associated with in the US. ╠╣uw [talk] 19:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Huw. Consistency matters. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:07, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose - This move discussion relies on several false notions:

Schools are not geographic locations, they are organizations. If a school relocates, we do not start a new article, we just address the move in the article.
The RfC referenced by the nominator says nothing whatsoever, as it is still 14 days away from closing, and is likely invalid in the first place, since it too relies on the false notion that schools are geographic locations, being that it is hosted at the talk page of the geoplace naming convention article, and the two projects that it exclusively effects, WP:WPSCH and WP:UNIV were not notified of it. But if you want it consider it, there is clearly no consensus, which means we stay with the status quo, which for US schools is parentheses.
Wikipedia does not operate on rules; it operates on consensus. There is no clearer indication of the existing consensus than the way things are done now. In the US, every secondary school disambiguation (and that's not hyperbole. I cannot think of one single example of a secondary school disambiguated with a comma. There are a few universities, but those are due to COMMONNAME, notably the U of California system) is disambiguated with parentheses. Same with Canada. I believe the practice in Britain is to use a comma, but this is not a British school, and yes, consistency DOES matter.
Practically speaking, I'm not going to waste my time moving well over a thousand articles just because someone thinks we need a rule.

This is a solution in search of a problem. John from Idegon (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The answer for consistency would be to rename the others to comma format. A school is still a place, but we are referring to the building primarily in that context. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:19, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. For U.S. articles, at least, the comma state format is generally used for populated places (cities, towns, etc.) while parentheses are used for other things, including geographic features like lakes and mountains, as well as schools, historic buildings, etc. Station1 (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.