Talk:Music of ancient Rome/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I apologize for this fragmentary new entry. I wrote it in order to get rid of a red link in Music of Italy that I am working on. All help is appreciated. I have a few copyright-free illustrations I can put into this, maybe tomorrow. Greetings from Naples, Italy, not too far from the seat of empire! Jeffmatt 18:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Turns out that those illustrations are not copyright free, after all. Jeffmatt 06:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Still working on lead, characteristics, and choral. I see that I forgot to log on for some of the changes. That 81.208.83.236 is me. Sorry. Jeffmatt 06:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Clean up

I eliminated the phrase "range of a tetrachord." It didn't make sense. Gingermint (talk) 03:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

"Juvenal p. 122"

Over the past several days, an anonymous editor using IP address 173.59.92.103 has been persistently inserting an unreferenced claim of dubious pertinence to the subject of this article. Assuming good faith, I notice what appears to be a genuine attempt to provide a source. However, the putative reference, "Juvenal p. 122" fails because the Latin author Juvenal did not himself come equipped with numbered pages. Presumably this is intended to refer to one edition or another of the Satires, but without specifying which edition, the page reference is meaningless. I invite 173.59.92.103 to identify which edition of Juvenal is meant, so that the assertion can be properly checked. Alternatively, Classical sources are usually referenced by chapter and line number, with reference to a standard edition of the (in this case Latin) text. In the case of Juvenal, this is particularly easy because the Satires are in verse. The Wikipedia article linked above demonstrates how this is done.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 03:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Addendum: An electronic search of the complete texts of all sixteen Satires (found at http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/juvenal.html) fails to discover the phrase "dei gratia imperator" from the claimed citation.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:01, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The whole thing is a self-evident fake (the bit of Latin quoted is actually the title used by the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, over a millennium later) and the rest of it amounts to a rather stupid dirty joke, not suitable for Wikipedia. Under the circumstances, I can hardly assume good faith. RandomCritic (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, exactly the conclusion I had reached. There must not be much for a pre-teen to do in north Philadelphia these days, what with the early snowstorms. Still, it has provoked me to actually read Juvenal, and there are at least two interesting references to music in the Satires, though of course nothing remotely resembling this "stupid dirty joke".—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Dates are Important

Thank you for the work that went into this Wiki, it was helpful. I suggest that the article could be improved if it included emphasis on dates, or even a general reference to the centuries of the Roman Republic and Roman Empire. I've only begun studying this topic and find it fascinating. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WendyStarbuck (talk • contribs) 21:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I have just reviewed the article, and there is actually very little in it that can be tied to specific years or centuries. In part this is because the material discussed is very general (instrument types, social function, and so on), but there are a few things that could have dates added, particularly in the lead section, and the two mentioned ancient authors (Horace and Suetonius) and the latter's subject (Nero) ought to have some reference to when they lived. In fact, the general paucity of references to ancient authors ought to be fixed, as well.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 23:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to article: what was the Latin name of the harp depicted in the image? 173.89.236.187 (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Documentary evidence

The article mentions notation but I'd be interested to know much we really know about how Roman music sounded, presumably there are sources but it's not discussed in the text.Gymnophoria (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I think anyone reading this article would be interested to know what the music actually sounded like. Unfortunately, there is very little to go on—even less than for Greek music, for which there is a small body of surviving notated music. This notation was known during the Roman period, but unfortunately no genuinely "Roman" pieces survive alongside the few contemporary Greek fragments. There have been some attempts to reconstruct performances based on reproductions of surviving instruments, but these must be regarded as speculative.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:21, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Copyright Concerns

I have discovered http://www.crystalinks.com/romemusic.html appears to be a copy of this page (the site also has other copied pages). It does not list Wikipedia as a reference and actually contains the [Citation Needed] featured in many Wikipedia articles.

An email has been sent notifying the owner of the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.164.148.95 (talk) 07:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I see that this site now carries a note at the end, reading "Reference - Wikipedia".—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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