Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 7

Alternative rock tag

alternative rock was removed from the genres, I'm putting it back.

and its gone again, you know why? read WP:V. --neon white talk 14:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If verifiability is an issue, then why not remove the emo tag, since the actual leader of the band has verified that they are not emo. That would be a more reliable source than angsty teenager fans and the magazines that revolve around them.

This section is about alternative rock. Either way, the band is not a reliable source. Only third-party reliable sources should be used. Timmeh 21:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

USA Today

Elysa Gardner asks, "What inspires you and your music?" Gerard Way responds, "Hey guys, I grew up in the nice town, Summit, New Jersey. I've never had any legitimate problems my entire life, but I'll make up my problems and write about how difficult it is to be me. Oh, and by the way, I'm definitely not emo, and as long as idiots keep thinking I'm hot and don't realise that everything about my face is disgusting, and don't mind my horribly gross hair then I'll keep being famous, because we all know I have absolutely no singing talent at all."

Not from Jersey City

My Chemical Romance ARE NOT from "Jersey City". The majority of them are from Belleville, NJ. I think there should just be New Jersey. Bob is from Chicago! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.83.133 (talk) 18:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC) www.janeway.blog.cz (slowakai website)

But the original MCR [Matt, not Bob] are from Belleville/Kearny NJ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.252.115 (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

It is saying that the band started in Jersy City, not all the members.(68.91.223.155 (talk) 21:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC))

I agree with the statement that they are from Belleville/Kearny NJ, or even Newark, as this is the closest large city they are near. Jersey City is completely false. Dineanddashed (talk) 14:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Dude, none of them, nor Eyeball Records, are from - born, raised, etc - Jersey City. Unless they were taking a random trip to Jersey City and thought "I should start a band" - which is not the origin story of the band, sad to say - there's no reason to put. I think there's enough dissent here to change it. 99.56.190.165 (talk) 20:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC) (Whoops, the above was me - not logged in Wildefae (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

"Stay" song

THE OFFICAL NAME IS "SOMEONE OUT THERE" FANS STARTED REALIZING THIS BECAUSE GERARD WISPERED SOMEONE OUT THERE IN FRANKS EAR AND THEY PLAYED IT ON THE BLACK PARADE IS DEAD DVD

No, it's called Stay Awake. It says it on they're Bebo page. YAY!! MCR support Make A Wish! (nothing to do with subject, but I think it should e included in the article :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RedXII (talk • contribs) 19:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it is called Stay Awake. Definitly. 18/1/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.218.120 (talk) 06:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

on their website, gerard posted on the 6th of february that it had been raining while they were recording in L.A. but this was posted after the recording of desolation row, does this mean that they are recording a new record, or, gerard sent his message after desoltion rows recording? anyone care to elaborate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aideno64 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't quite get you, if you mean are they recording a new album, the answers yes, and stay will be on that album, but they're barely even started on that, They've got The World Is Ugly and Stay Awake, the only two defnite songs to be on there, and Desolation Row, as far as I know is hanging in the balance. And yes, they have recorded a definite version of Stay, and it was after the Desolation Row video was finished.

Akira-otomo, Also known as Daniel, or Dan. (Talk - | - Contributions)

15:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Forth Album Name

Gerard Announced the fourth album name..."Lost Memories For The Both Of Us" sholdn't that be written down? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.173.112 (talk) 23:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Venganza should be removed from the Studio Album section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.229.132 (talk) 15:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Yup, Vangaza wasn't a studio recording, it was a live performance.

Akira-otomo, Also known as Daniel, or Dan. (Talk - | - Contributions)

15:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Any news on the album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Felix 12 22 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The sources that say that MCR are emo are not trustworthy

In most cases, when the band is referred to as emo, it is by an article which is targeted against them. They are using the word as an insult, not an actual description of their genre. And they themselves reject the term "emo". And as a musical genre, they most certainly are not emo. Their lyrics are emoish and they dress to the emo style, but their music sounds more like a fusion of Power-Pop/Pop-Punk and Hard Rock. Most people who call them emo are not really aware of what emo is in the musical sense and judge it entirely by lyrics and dress style, which doesn't define the style of their music. You can say that they dress to match the emo style or anything like that, but as a musical genre they are far from emo. --PokeOnic (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter what they say, wikipedia is based on verifiable second and thrid party sources not personal opinion. Rolling Stone, MTV, NME and allmusicguide are just about the four biggest authorities on music. If they say they are emo then as far as wikipedia is concerned they are. --neonwhite user page talk 22:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think MTV, NME, or Rolling Stone can be called reliable sources. And allmusicguide has a bad habit of mixing up music genres anyway. I mean, I think the band would know what they're own style of music is. I think that if they don't want to be called emo it's not our place to decide they're music for them, what better source than the band it's self. Besides, alot of bands that aren't emo are called emo, Underoath for example.Emo777 (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, My Chemical Romances' band members would be able to say whether they are emo, which they always say theyre not, and they would know their own genre!

Artists' interviews cannot be considered reliable; MTV, NME, Rolling Stone and allmusic.com, instead, are indipendent sources and thisfor trustworthy. {Sirabder87}^{Static age} 12:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bands are definitely not the authorities on their own music because a lot of time the band itself may not understand what makes a certain genre. If you let the band decide what their genre is, then Avril Lavigne and Good Charlotte would both be punk. Tithonfury (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I know that allmuisc isn't that reliable. Besides, those sources only use other peoples opinions. Besides, just because a band dresses like emo and they're lyrics are similar dosen't make them emo. I mean, they still like certain elements of emo music.Emo777 (talk) 06:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

MTV, NME, Rolling Stone, and, although I hate to say it, Allmusic.com are considered reliable as far as wikipedia is concerned. If you don't like the reliability of a source I think that WP:RSN is the place to take it up.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

So, we've established that the four biggest sources used on wikipedia have unanimously voted My Chemical Romance as emo, then why is the genre not in the infobox? James25402 (talk) 01:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

WesleyDodds undid the revision, now emo genre is there back. {Sirabder87}^{Static age} 16:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

As has been requested, I'm bringing the matter back to the talk page here. I relise there seems to be a consensus to note that the band is Emo, however there have been several discussions whereby it's been determined that the band is not. My largest area of concern is people saying "the reference says so". Well, as I pointed out to Neon White, which one? And have any of you actually read it? The only one I could find that does call them emo is AMG, which is disgustingly inaccurate and all over the place (Until a little while ago, they listed Kenny Rodgers as punk, pop and not country... sure, let's put that on Wikipedia). Rolling Stone says there are similarities to a sub-sect of punk, and says it's similar in ways to emo. That's different o saying they are emo. That's like saying Prince Phillip is the Queen because he's around her all the time. The band's profile/page on NME doesn't cite any musical styles at all Probably because they have the better sense than to try to pigeon hole musical artists. Several newspaper articles on the web do refer to the band as Emo, but look carefully at the writer of the article. Is the person who wrote the article a music reviewer? Or are they covering the tabloid headline about Hannah Bond? Tabloid writers will write whatever they want to make the story sound as lush and juicy as possible in order to prompt more purchases. I can't find one resource that would be considered to be "reliable" call the band Emo, with the exception of AMG, but seriously, their reputation is vastly overrated based on horrendous and erroneous inaccuracies and fallacies. --rm 'w avu 09:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

They are all listed below. "the reference says so" is essentially the verifiability policy. --neon white talk 16:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That's your personal opinion, I(as many others) would believe what they state themselves to be true, but as MTV and other companies write, MCR's genres include Emo.

as long as The Daily Mail doesn't become a valid source (Please don't tell me it is) - I'm fine with what the companies like MTV describe it as; Let bands be the genre they are described as, as long as the description isn't as far off as calling pop for death metal, it shouldn't make a too big difference if they're punk-rock or emo(SOME difference, yes - But not a difference large enough for it to require 'Wishing people dead', 'exessive swearing', and so on and so on(Read comments on this page for examples of both))

Borderline to gay? Gay isn't a music genre(to person above)

Zevvi (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Of course they're emo. Anything scene kids listen to are considered emo, because everything just HAS to be such. Emo isn't even real emo anymore; we made our own genre out of an already existing one. Fuck Wikipedias bullshit standards, it's fucking stupid. If sources say the sky is green should we change that? Fucking idiots. Blindeffigy (talk) 13:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Can't we just settle this by calling them Alternative? All of they're albums are classed as Alternative in iTunes and Windows Media Player, although a few song are in the "Emo Essentials" in iTunes. It's weird but they are emo, but to end it, why not call them Alternative?? RedXII ^{(Talk :: Contribs)} 19:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE ARE NOT EMO GET OVER IT EVERYONE AND GET A LIFE from the MCRmy p.s and im not coming back to see what you people say to this. all though some idiot will delete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.218.120 (talk) 06:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC) My Chemcial Romance is emo Seth4000 (talk) 10:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Seth4000

Yeah, come one! MCR is fucking not emo! You know Gerard himself even called the whole emo thing "a pile of shit", so why does everyone think they are emo? I suppose how they dress could be considered emo, but what the hell? Are we judging bands on how they DRESS now? MCR IS NOT EMO! ~ cars_for_queens

MCR is emo there lyrics and there clothes and hair r fucking emo Seth4000 (talk) 8:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)Seth4000

MCR has one or two songs that could fall under 'emo'. However, the bulk of their work could easily fall under 'emo pop'. (Albert Mond (talk) 20:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC))

MCR is not Emo. They say they are not. That means they are not. Red Hot Chili Peppers used to have rap vocals on early CDs. Does that make RHCP rap? No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AJester (talk • contribs) 05:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

no it doesn't, see the list of sources. --neon white talk 20:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC) 23:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)They ARE EMO!!! But does it realy matter? I mean, dont insult emos, just because of this this. Now that is just wrong! Alot of emos are indenial about it, and say their "punk" when their far from it. O well if my chemical romance is like that. Thats good for them, but who ever is saying their not emo, ur probably an emo who wants to be punk to. But just stop this! They are now get over it, of course not all their music is emo but their personality/genre/style whatever you want to call it is emo. And "whatever scene kids listen to is emo" isnt true, they listen to pop, alternative/emo, punk, wat evr they want. Dont bring the scenes into an emo fight. They didnt do anything ~a person —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.253.67 (talk)

Change the good damn thing.Has Anybody Seen My Disco Stick? 05:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

The mainstream media misconception of "Emo" is false and always have been. Emo isn't what's dipicted as it is in mainsteam/popular culture. This isn't a personal opinion, this is an actual fact. Those "reliable soucres" aren't much realible than a 14 year old scene girl's definition of the genre. I can find a source, which says "MCR the jazz band", is that really realible? If realible soucres were found that aren't from any mainstream media. Then it would be best to use. I would leave out the genre out this article and look for this source. 76.172.250.32 (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Are we seriously calling the media trustworthy?!?!!?!?!? They lie about celebs lives, they make the world seem like it's more dangerous than it really is and it just lies. Thats what they do to get attention, barely anyone tells the truth! It's all about selling papers and thats what they do! They lie cause it makes things more interesting! People got to get a mind for themselves and find out what stuff really is!! All stereotypical labels are somehow wronged and so are music genres! Seriously people, learn before you label..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkie100 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Band Members - Role Designations Inaccurate?

The "Band Members" section lists Toro and Iero as "lead guitar" and "rhythm guitar" respectively, but there are no citations for this and off the top of my head I can think of two songs where Iero plays lead guitar - the recording of "Early Sunsets Over Monroeville" is described in Life on the Murder Scene and Iero's part is clearly indicated as being the melodic one, and in the music video for "Ghost of You" he can be seen playing the melodic part as well. While I would concede that during their live shows Iero does tend to play the rhythm parts to Toro's lead (and the latter plays most of the solos), it seems to me that it would be more accurate to list "guitar, vocals" for both of them. Iamaportmanteau (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think they have specific roles in the band, just general guitar, but Toro plays the majority of lead in the band. Most solos are played by Toro, and so I think Toro should be the lead. The only way to settle this would be to look on the MCR ite, but since it changed to a blog, it doesn't tell you. RedXII ^{(Talk :: Contribs)} 19:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This is so confusing... MCR's songs are modelled after classic rock bands... aero smith, iron maiden, queen, and ac/dc. Their lyrics, however, have multiple meanings. Not ALL of there songs are uniform. The thing that needs to be considered here is, "what is emo?" fans will always find whatever it is they're looking for. if that happens to be self-hatred and self-mutilation, then whatever. If fans call themselves emo, and the music they listen to emo, and silly media magazines that cater to these fans pick that up, and decide "hey, this must be emo, since everyone is calling it that" then does that really seriously make the music emo?

Whiteneon, I understand your zealous efforts at maintaining wikipedia's "verifiability policy". You're using it to express your own personal opinion. You are a primary example of why systems, laws, and codes, never work, and always fail. Douchebags like you take advantage of them in an attempt to control others. Since information is practically a god in our culture, you seem to have the right idea about taking over things don't you?

Band Picture

How come the picture only shows 3 of the members. Ray and Frank are missing. Could I suggest using one of the shots of all 5 members that can be found on Google (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=my+chemical+romance&gbv=2) I'm sure most of them are open source. I don't mean the stylised ones with effects and stuff, just the plain photos. Just a suggestion, thanks. RedXII ^{(Talk :: Contribs)} 19:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Emo

For those who say they are not emo, what about the line in 'Dead,' where it says "Wouldn't it be great to take a pistol to the head and wouldn't it be great if we were dead." I don't care, either way, I like them, but just throwing it out there.68.91.223.155 (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Emo is a style of music, the lyrics aren't musical style. Zazaban (talk) 02:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I wan't you to listen to 'Ooh Do I Love You' by Cap'n Jazz, a REAL emo band, and 'Dead' by My Chemical Romance and TRY to say they exist in the same genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.218.248 (talk) 03:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, have a look at WP:OR WP:V and WP:RS. We go by reliable, third-party, published sources. Not by yours or anyone's opinion. Reliable sources call this band emo and that is all that matters. Landon1980 (talk) 04:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Look at Wiki's definition of emo. They fit the description perfectly (I'm not trying to flame the band in any way. I happen to like them). ~TheAnthraxBunny

They are not Emo. They are Post-Hardcore/Pop Punk. Their music is not suicidal. Gerard said. ====They are emo, get over it! And idc about those other bands, their prob horrible pop. My Chemical Romance is NOT PUNK OR POP! I cant believe people would say that. All those people who dont even listen to the music and hate it who say their punk need to stop commenting cause your wrong. I take this as an offense, their my favorite band and the first emo alternative band i liked. If your realy a fan, get over it! Do you think theres something wrong with being emo?====No I don't think there is anything wrong with being emo. But Emo=Emotive Hardcore. Emotive Hardcore is kinda the same as Post-Hardcore, but P-H isn't as emotional as EH. I think their songs are emotional, like Helena, but it's NOT emo. So, YOU get over it. AND The Black Parade is pop punk, how can you call that emo? If they are your fave band, you would back them up and hate the Daily Mail. MCR forever and Daily Mail never!

No matter what you say they aren't Emo, Emo isn't even an actual Music Genre, its a fashion, No matter what people say it still doesn't make them Emo, They've said millions of times they arenot Emo, even on the article itself, it quotes Gerad Way, he Tells people they are not Emo & that he personally dislikes Emo, I think that is proof that they're not Emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.196.249 (talk) 14:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Emo is now a fashion sense but its also about behavior. That does not mean they are crazy cutters!!!! They have a right to defend themselves and say what label they belong to and about their music they have a little bit of a say cause we don't want Avril Lavigne calling her music punk...... But they should be consulted and i personally don't know much about the music genre but they sound very different from one of the emo bands i like.... I am more of an expert on labels but the point is the media has a say in our lives but they can't control it!!! ~Punkie100 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkie100 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Songs that haven't been posted

I wanted to edit some grammar mistakes in the MCR wiki page but seeing that it has been blocked off, I give up trying, anywho.

I wanted to know if whoever locked it could allow us to post songs and such by the band that have not been released on any albums as well as their new tracks, like Desolation Row...

Some live songs that need to be posted are those such as Jack the Ripper and the first version of Disenchanted as well as their cover songs: Song 2 and Astro Zombies, as well as the latest released.

I'm not saying put a section listing every track they have made, just those that haven't been included in albums....

What does everyone think of that?

Anyone have other songs to list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griva002 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, I forgot to add... If I ever find the link, I would like to post that Gerard has expressed personal dislike for the song Cubicles, saying that it is the worst song he has ever written and also calling it an embarrassment of a song and that the band will never perform that live again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griva002 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

New Song

the new song "Desolation Row" should be put up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Failureatdeath (talk • contribs) 01:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

In the My Chemical Romance Album Won't Be A 'Kitchen Sink' Affair interview a song from the new album is mentioned "New Hair, Same Shit(the "shit" is assumed)" this should be part of the Future Plans section, no?

Gerard Said it is a working title

Emo

To the person that said, "For those who say they are not emo, what about the line in 'Dead,' where it says "Wouldn't it be great to take a pistol to the head and wouldn't it be great if we were dead."

Emo is not a lyrical style that talks about suicide, emo is a subgenre of punk that focuses more on the over display of emotion rather than the tune.

This band is not emo in any way, not second wave, or third wave, not even post-emo. They are just your typical pop punk band (old stuff is PURE post-hardcore.)

calling My Chemical Romance emo insults:

• Real emo fans that listen to rites of spring n' caP'n jazz

and

• Real MCR fans who don't listen to be apart of the "scene kid" scene.

Please change it.

Talk:My Chemical Romance/Emo --neon white talk 00:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• They are not emo [1] Cybervoron (talk) 04:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• How I see it is

People who say MCR is not emo: Fans of the band, Fans of the actual genre(me), and the band itself. People who sat MCR IS emo: People who see emo as a derrogitory term for whiny music, ill informed music journalists working for MTV who have not done their research and get their information form the former. Everyone who knows anything about emo, or music genres in general agrees that labeling them as emo is BS.24.128.137.234 (talk) 20:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe they are professional journalists and you're opinion is worth nothing? --neon white talk 20:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

These so called 'professional journalists' get it wrong so often its not even funny. they label bands based on times and trends. I once again go with the 3 inches of Blood example who have been labeled as 'nu metal', 'metalcore' and as a parody band due to their record label, their clothes and guess wat, the trend of the time. Common sence and brains have provided the correct genres of Heavy Metal, Power Metal and Thrash Metal. Why can common sence not prevail in other cases? MCR can also be soured as punk, alternative rock and post hardcore(early). this is what they are and what they sould be labeled as —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.195.171 (talk) 13:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The Fighting Of Emo

This shouldnt be happening. All the fighting about being emo. This is kinda the bandz fault, and im not blaming them. But wt other bands that admit their emo, this doesnt happen. Every one just gets along, because they all truely know what they are. Mcr is confusing kids, telling them their punk not emo. Now whenever i see anther emo and say like "yay! emo buddies!" or something like that they say something untrue like "r u blind, im punk not emo". And it realy hurts because i know mcr does the same thing and i just wanted people to know this brings alot of emos pain doing this.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.253.67 (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

From all the comments I have conducted my opinion about all of this.This is gone on for along time. This whole talk page is devoted to weather they in the "emo" genre. So sources are reliable, and we have to go with it. People make emo a bad thing, it has evolved from its original usage. In the 21st century we all know what the sterotype is. I see in the article that "emo " as a genre has earlier matrial by it. It needs to be taken off. There are other bands with emo as well, secondhand serenade, Fall out boy, Paramore and Panic at the disco. Some of the bands say they are not in th "emo" genre. So I am going to see what happens in the next few days, and change the earlier part, unless someone comes up with a good reason or source to say I am wrong. Consider putting an 'Emo' section in the article. Thanks...Has Anybody Seen My Disco Stick? 06:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The negative connotation is starting to erode, so these debates will probably start to dwindle. Zazaban (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Favorite band

My Chemical Romance is my favorite band. And I know that they are not emo or any kind of pop. Also, what happened to Lost Memories For The Both Of Us?--72.240.212.138 (talk) 23:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Punk Rock

I'm putting punk rock under the genre's section. The band said that they are going for a punk sound (Not the wave of punk we are in ((Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, ect.) but in the proto sense, as in first wave punk ((Sex Pistols, Ramones, Clash))) which can be proven on the obvious sound of their cover of Bob Dylans "Desolation Row," which only use three chords. Someone back me up on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roland 96 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

'Someone' needs to be a music journalist writing in a reliable publication. --neon white talk 12:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

A statement from a band member would not be a reliable source. You should also consider that song was a cover done for a film, not necessarily a reliable indication of the direction the band may be taking and it's only one song. If they release their next album and a reliable source classifies it as Punk Rock, then you can put it under the genre section. RKFS (talk) 04:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, whoa, hey now. Punk aint just about using three chords. Just cause something SOUNDs Punk-ish doesnt mean it is. I thought Overkill was a little fast-paced for Metal, and though Pnuk bands NORMALLY use very basic riffs, and simple drumlines, that doesnt mean it cant get any more elaborate. The real Punk sounds is about the message, and Ive heard some of their... "music", and I dont see the point. Theyre not getting down to whats really important to be sang about; what needs to be fixed in this world. It's more of the run-of-the-mill Emo rock "No, you broke my heart" or "I wanna die" crap. I think the genre should stay COMPLETELY outta Punk and remain in Emo where they belong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.233.215.107 (talk) 06:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Post-Hardcore

Everyone here agrees that they were Post-Harcore with their early stuff so I'm adding it to the genres. KezianAvenger (talk) 19:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Just be sure and cite the addition with a reliable source. If I have time here in a little while I'll see if I can find one. If you know of one please post it here though. Have a good day. Landon1980 (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm terrible at finding sources. isn't there another way to do this? KezianAvenger (talk) 18:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

As it turns out, the source being used also says that they're Post-Hardcore. I added it again. KezianAvenger (talk) 19:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It says no such thing. --neon white talk 11:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Emo, AGAIN

Why must a "reliable" source, written by a journalist who knows as much about emo as the rest of the clueless masses, which obviously contradicts wikipedias own (accurate) definition of emo determine what we say the genre is. Thanks to that rule, Paramore and Fall Out Boy, two pop punk bands, are considered emo, the writer doesn't have to have a clue what emotional hardcore is, as long as the website is reliable. If you know, and have heard real "emo",you know that My Chemical Romance isn't emo. That Paramore and Fall Out Boy aren't emo. Peoples definitions encompass so many several genres, post-hardcore, metalcore, pop punk, indie, doom metal, folk, virtually anything involving acoustic instruments, and even death metal. Can't we change this "reliable cite" rule? Can't we have people that know what they're talking about have the final say on the wikipedia article genre, instead of the 17 year old who wrote the album review?

Feel free to read it up. Emo: The article does well up to "2000- present".

Fourth Album Recording

They Posted that in the next few weeks they would be recording it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobthebuilder99471 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

ALTERNATIVE ROCK

first of all this has to be the messiest talk page ever

2nd, I can see the page is locked but why the hell isn't Alternative Rock listed as a genre? Its listed for all their albums and most if not all of their songs? they are much more alternative rock than they are pop punk. Not to mention that just about every review ever made about them calls them alternative rock... this is abosoultly rediculous!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.149.98 (talk) 01:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

cite some reviews. --neon white talk 14:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

editsemiprotected

Under the "CRITICISM" section, I found the following sentence: "Supporters of emo music contacted NME to defend accusations that emo promotes suicide.[45]"

The word "against" needs to be put in between "defend" and "accusations".

Come on people, proofread your writing. That single, missing word completely changes the meaning of the sentence.

68.190.173.213 (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done Timmeh 18:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

EMO AGAIN!!

Please get rid of emo on their genre section, Gerard said himself they're not emo! Gentlemouse009 (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Please familiarise yourself with wikipedia polices. in particular WP:V. --neon white talk 18:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Genre change

@Neon white - Your revert is completely non-sensical. First I will state that I had every intention of fixing up the styles section, just didn't have time when I made that edit. Anyway. Where exactly does it state that the infobox has to "summarise" the styles section? I get what you are saying, and I do kind of agree, but in circumstances such as this - where the section mentions alternative rock, post-hardcore, punk revival, pop punk (all from the one source) and emo (which is what I referenced, not added, referenced) - why are alternative rock and emo not in the styles section? My edit only substituted alternative rock in for pop punk, both alt rock and emo are clearly in the styles section, both were sourced properly. I don't see grounds for a revert? k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

All infoboxes exist as a short summary of the article. That is their purpose in an article. The genres were decideed by consensus as an accurate summary of the musical styles section as they are the most commonly used descriptions of the many, any changes needs to be discussed here. Alternative rock has never been sourced and is rarely used which is why it is not needed for a summary. The sources you provide do not source the term, the first only cites 'alternative pop/rock' which is far too ambiguous to use as a source, the second did not mention it at all. --neon white talk 23:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Well that just proves the style section is a crock of shit. Because that second reference, Allmusic, is the one source I was talking about above. Fine if Alt Rock isn't appropriate in the infobox, but then same goes for post-hardcore, punk revival and pop punk. They are all using the one sole source. On the other hand, you may be basing your edit on just consensus, in which case it would be obselete because the consensus is clearly no longer satisfactory - just look at that main source used, that you just disregarded. You can get all the people in the world (exagerration, obviously) saying they're not emo, but if there's still those 5 articles saying they are, then that's what we write. If we were really working on consensus here, the page would be unprotected and emo would be removed... daily. Sure, not justified consensus, but that's the way these kids work. Can you link me to the consensus discussion you speak of, so I can bring myself up to date? Oh and I assure you I am not getting angry over a stupid genre, couldn't give a toss quite frankly. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 18:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Emo is the strongest sourced genre by some way (22 reliable sources i think, not all referenced in the article for obvious reasons). The other strong one is pop punk which is why those two were chosen rather than 10 or so various similar genres. The discussion will probably be somewhere in the archives of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music. I fyou think it needs broadening the obvious step would be to change pop punk to rock to comply with the 'as general as possible' guidelines and encompass all. --neon white talk 15:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

They Are Not Emo! They have openly stated that they are not Emo & that they think its bull, so is Wiki some kind of place for Bull now!? Why does it state they are on the list of Genre when later in the same article it say's they even say that it's wrong, twice, Any Rock band these day's are called Emo, not All Modern Rock is Emo! One lyric, one Lyric sounds kinda Emo & that makes them it, well that is Rubish, I am trying to refrain from Swearing since i only joined Wiki recently & don't want to get kicked off, but this is just Wrong, The only people who say they are Emo is those Idiotic Reporters of the liberal Media & People who don't like rock or Emo, It's Racism, well not exactly, but is as bad as.--Captcrash182 (talk) 19:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Get out. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 02:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

What?--84.9.197.23 (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Original Research k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 11:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Bottling?

This article has serious NPOV issues. Why is there no mention of the many bottling incidents this band had, especially when playing after Slayer?201.231.69.218 (talk) 05:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Because no one has added them? Be Bold, find reliable sources and add them yourself. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 05:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Fourth Album Possible Song List

1.Introduction Of A New Life
2.Wanna Be Teenage Girls
3.Tokyo Death Show
4.Kiss The Ring
5.Prizoner
6.Death Before Disco
7.The World Is Ugly
8.Untitled(Stay Awake)
9.Time To Die
10.The Drugs
11.Do It!
12.Hold On To Me

Potential, possible and likely things should not be added to Wikipedia, per WP:CRYSTAL. So the talk page is as far as this should go. (just noting, unsigned post above, was not me) k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Associated Acts

Don't you think there should be a few more than the two bands Iero formed? I mean, other bands have been important to My Chem... I propose adding atleast The Used (since they did collaborate on the Under Pressure cover) and Taking Back Sunday (because of the friendship between the two bands) to the list. Mr ForrestBlack (talk) 22:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Read Template:Infobox Musical artist; being 'friends' is not an association, nor is having collaborated on a single song. And for the record, neither is touring a couple of times. There needs to be an actual official crossover, that is sourced. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:59, 20 September 2009 (UTC)