Talk:Mykola Pymonenko

name

He is either Mykola Pymonenko or Nikolai Pimonenko but not the mixture. The former is the default name, the latter is the possibility if he is known under the latter name in the English-speaking world (to be looked at). --Irpen 18:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I briefly looked google. Even though the artist does not generate many hits, the Ukrainian name prevails. I am moving the article. I don't believe the move is controversial in any way and in any case, current name makes no sense. Besides, the earth won't be salted. --Irpen 19:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the Ukrainian name prevails, yet the title is still not Mykola Pymonenko? Ostap 02:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Let’s stop the slow-motion edit warring about the article title, Pymonenko’s name, and his nationality.

• The Library of Congress Name Authority File uses Pymonenko, Mykola Kornylovych, 1862-1912,[1] and consequently so do most English-language library authorities, e.g., AU.
• The Getty Research Union List of Artist Names prefers a hybrid spelling of the Ukrainian first name but surname either Russian or transliterated from a Russian-langage source, Pimonenko, Mykola, and Ukrainian nationality.[2]
• WorldCat Identities uses Cyrillic Ukrainian Пимоненко, Микола Корнилович 1862-1912 (=Pymonenko, Mykola Kornylovych per WP:UKR).[3]
• ABART Fine Art Archive lists his Ukrainian name in euro romanization, Mykola Kornylovyč Pymonenko, nationality Ukrainian.[4]
• Oxford Benezit Dictionary of Artists lists Pimonenko, Nikolai or Nikolas Kornilievich, “Ukrainian.”[5]
• Oxford Grove Art Online gives Pimonenko, Mykola (Kornylevych) [Nikolay Kornil’yevich], “Ukrainian painter.”[6]
• WikiArt Visual Art Encyclopedia lists Mykola Pymonenko, nationality Ukrainian.[7]
• Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine’s article is entitled Pymonenko, Mykola, “Ukrainian realist painter.”[8]

So please, let’s also not dance around the edit war with convoluted phrasing “of Ukrainian descent,” and “often billed.” He was a Ukrainian painter. He was the son of Ukrainians, born and lived in Ukraine, in the Russian empire, and he painted Ukrainian genre subjects there. —Michael Z. 21:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ушкуйник. Regarding your recent moves, with edit summaries Undiscussed Change of the stable version of the article and A quick search indicates that the title Nikolay Pimonenko is currently used in a clear majority of sources. According to google search: "Nikolay Pimonenko" 31.100 results, "Mykola Pymonenko" 13.900 results.

The title is being discussed, here, now. Three editors out of three favour Mykola Pymonenko. The title is not stable, because you have moved it, what, seven times so far? It was stable for thirteen years before you got started. Google search results are not reliable sources to determine article titles; see WP:COMMONNAME and WP:GOOG. I suggest you participate in this discussion. —Michael Z. 15:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

If you conduct a Google search and read the results according to the guidelines I mentioned, the difference is insignificant: 70 to 64. —Michael Z. 16:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 19 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 22:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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Nikolay Pimonenko (painter) → Mykola Pymonenko – Most reliable sources use or recommend this version of the artist’s name. The spelling follows WP:UKR and practically every other romanization system for Ukrainian. Examples of reference sources include:

• ABART Fine Art Archive lists his Ukrainian name in euro romanization, Mykola Kornylovyč Pymonenko, nationality Ukrainian.[9]
• The five-volume Encyclopedia of Ukraine’s entry is Pymonenko, Mykola, “Prominent Ukrainian realist painter” (v IV, pp 287–88), and a slightly revised version is found in the Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine.[10]
• The Getty Research Union List of Artist Names prefers a hybrid spelling of the Ukrainian first name but surname either Russian or transliterated from a Russian-langage source, Pimonenko, Mykola, and lists Ukrainian nationality.[11]
• The Library of Congress Name Authority File uses Pymonenko, Mykola Kornylovych, 1862-1912,[12] and consequently so do most English-language library authorities, e.g., Libraries Australia Authorities.
• WorldCat Identities uses Cyrillic Ukrainian Пимоненко, Микола Корнилович 1862-1912 (=Pymonenko, Mykola Kornylovych per WP:UKR).[13]
• Oxford Grove Art Online gives Pimonenko, Mykola (Kornylevych) [Nikolay Kornil’yevich], “Ukrainian painter” in the 2003 article,[14] but spells his name Mykola Pymonenko in “Ukraine” (2012).[15]
• Oxford Benezit Dictionary of Artists lists Pimonenko, Nikolai or Nikolas Kornilievich, “Ukrainian.”[16]
• WikiArt Visual Art Encyclopedia lists Mykola Pymonenko, nationality Ukrainian.[17]

Searching Google Books by WP:GOOG (English-language books, name in quotes, excluding Wikipedia) yields 146 results for Mykola Pymonenko, 5 for Nikolay Pimonenko, and 85 for Nikolai Pimonenko. Google Scholar gives 26–2–9.

There is no reason to include the parenthetic disambiguation “(painter).”  —Michael Z. 19:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom--RicardoNixon97 (talk) 10:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom --AndriiDr (talk) 20:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support per op—blindlynx (talk) 00:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Russian or Ukrainian

I am preparing the article for GA nomination, and have notices that are are 11 citations used to note that the artist was considered by different sources to be either Ukrainian or Russian. Before deleting most of these citations (or using the sources elsewhere in the article), I thought I would flag the issue up here. Any thoughts? Amitchell125 (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Amitchell125, you trimmed the citations for “Ukrainian painter,” leaving only one that says “russko-ukrainskii,” while leaving a parade of citations for “often described as.” Now the anons are having their way with the aftermath. Can you clean this up or restore it to the previous state? If you need to find citations, there are some good ones listed in the previous move discussion above. Thanks. —Michael Z. 00:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)