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References?[edit]

This may be ambitious, but I think that each of these nicknames should reference at least one non-blog source if they are going to remain on this list. I've added references for a couple of them, but the list is long and quite frankly i've never heard most of these used, despite living in and around the city for twenty five years. Frank duff 21:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hogtown and The Junction[edit]

I added a reference to The Junction in the "Hogtown" nickname section, since on that page, it is stated that the Hogtown name originated in the stockyards of that neighbourhood.--Stetson 05:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Francophones[edit]

Is this exactly accurate? Isn't it more like To-ron-to when speaking french, and Traunno when speaking english, similiar to the Pair - ee & Pear-ess split, for example? I definitely pronounce a second T when speaking french but only a single T when speaking english. WilyD 19:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

article title[edit]

Shouldn't this article be called "Name of Toronto"? ssepp(talk) 20:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Much of these nicknames I've never heard of before, though I was born in the 1980 nicknames predating my existence I have heard from my parents. Stuff referring to churches, and "the Big smoke" are completely new to me. We always used to call Hamilton stuff that referred to Smoke (such as Smoke town or smokey hallow) because that's what you saw on the way there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mista-X (talk • contribs) 13:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only one I find questionable is "City of Churches". The Big Smoke has been used for decades, and is still mentioned in the media (watch a local newscast for a few weeks and you'll eventually hear it). Muddy York was probably the first nickname it acquired, followed by Methodist Rome, which led to the mid-20th century "Toronto the Good" (used frequently in the 1970s and 1980s). Hogtown and the 416 are well-known. "Economic engine of Canada" isn't really a nickname, more of a reference to the city's importance to the country's economy, but it probably deserves mention. Megacity is a generic term used to describe many cities of the world; I'm not sure if it belongs here. Raccoon City should probably be removed - this may be used in the gamer community, but I doubt anyone else, or anyone in the media, would use that moniker. Mindmatrix 14:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mohawk Name[edit]

Toronto was never Mohawk territory. It never was traditionally nor in European settler written historical times. Journalists in search of a quick story are misinterpreting this piece to say that Toronto is a Mohawk name (e.g. https://www.toronto.com/opinion-story/9199335-happy-185th-toronto-here-s-a-snapshot-of-our-history/?fbclid=iwar1ni0ejqnbg_krbxc9rjg5glbcuimmade1zob_2v693uivzdk94n-zqzcm) . I realize that a source is provided for the Mohawk origin line, but my spider sense is telling me that the writer of that source article in Canadian Geographic is wrong or has some further deeper digging to do (Rayburn, Alan (1994): Canadian Geographic -September/October '94. Ottawa, pp. 68-70.) . I don't know anything about aboriginal languages, and don't have time to research this as it deserves, but I would guess that either the Mohawk borrowed the word from the Huron usage, or, that the two words happened to exist in both Huron and Mohawk because of a shared linguistic history. But given the preponderant earlier Huron usage, to then leave it open to interpretation as being fundamentally Mohawk in origin -- well I think that needs addressing. But again, as my specialty is European and not aboriginal languages, I'm not the one to tackle this, but I hope someone will address it. Randal Oulton (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Hogtown[edit]

I had thought this had to do with the Hogg family being the big bourgeoisie of the city once upon a time (and they still are pretty prominent, I believe), i.e. Hoggs Hollow, rather than some pork plant on one side of the town. --Mista-X (talk) 14:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Naw, it's definitely from the Pigs - however, we can sure enough dig up a citation, I imagine. WilyD 15:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The William Davies Company article has about 4 cites for it. And at the time it wasn't one pork plant on one side of town.Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No. The two are distinct. Hogg's Hollow was indeed named for the Hogg family (here's one source), but the nickname "Hogtown" refers to the Davies company, which at one time consisted of nearly 100 retail outlets throughout Toronto and Ontario. Mindmatrix 16:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Centre of the Universe?[edit]

Canadians are funny. 68.175.83.141 (talk) 02:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous[edit]

I believe that the usage of the phrase "eponymous city" is incorrect. If Toronto was named after a person then they would be the eponymous person it was named after. I am going to rephrase. Stephen Rasku (talk) 02:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More nicknames from websites[edit]

Here are six websites with more nicknames:

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/toronto/nicknames.html http://truecondos.com/tag/toronto-nicknames http://www.got.net/~landauer/lists/CityOf.html http://discover.utoronto.ca/__shared/assets/Toronto_Neighborhoods3308.pdf http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Toronto_-_Nomenclature/id/5348726 http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Toronto_-_Nomenclature/id/5348726

I don't know if these sites are credible so with them what you will... —Preceding unsigned comment added by LOctopus (talk • contribs) 05:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

experiencefestival and spiritus-temporis are Wikipedia mirrors, that is, they copy content from WP, so cannot be used as refs. I'll check the others in the future. Mindmatrix 16:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New York Run by the Swiss[edit]

Howcome "New York Run by the Swiss" is no longer on the page?

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/new_york_run_by_the_swiss_summary/ http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2009/28/c5873.html

Also, I think "Metropolis" should be on the page as well, because of Superman, if anyone can find a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LOctopus (talk • contribs) 16:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pretentious "borrowed" nicknames[edit]

Is a name really considered a nickname if it was used maybe once or twice by the media ? I mean the "big smoke" ? Really ? Has anyone ever heard someone say "I'm in the big smoke" or "I'm going to the big smoke". That nickname is a popular nickname for London England. Toronto's nicknames are often self imposed names "borrowed" from other cities. Also NYC has been called the "centre of the universe" for eons. Just because Toronto's pretentiousness is made fun of by calling it the centre of the universe by other Canadians, does it really qualify as a nickname ? Centre of the universe ? Toronto ? Really ? These are not nicknames. T.O, T-Dot, Hog Town, those are. UrbanNerd (talk) 17:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of borrowed nicknames, try googling "The City that Works".--AntigrandiosËTalk 01:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Audio[edit]

The voice of the person that is pronouncing is not correct. It is far more common for Torontonians say "Torrono" than "Torrona". Canking (talk) 03:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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