Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Arlington County, Virginia

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Arlington Memorial Bridge[edit]

@Corker1: you make the assertion that "NRHP nomination forms are not definitive". If they aren't, what is? It certainly isn't the error-laden NRIS database (to which you have now provided two different pointers to essentially the same data, albeit in different form), in which bridge ends are routinely omitted from listing in one jurisdiction or another. The nomination form for Arlington Memorial Bridge (https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/80000346_text) clearly states that the listing area for this bridge includes elements in Virginia, even if the main span is entirely within DC. Magic♪piano 16:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More to the point, the boundary of the National Register site is:

Starting at the river terminus Constitution Avenue, the boundary runs southeasterly along the inland side of Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway to the Arts of Peace statuary; thence southerly to enclose the Watergate and the Arts of War statuary; thence southwesterly paralleling the southern side of Memorial Bridge and Avenue to the Arlington Hemicycle; thence northwesterly behind the Hemicycle; thence northeasterly paralleling the northern side of Memorial Avenue and Bridge to the Watergate; thence northwesterly along the river side of the Watergate and the parkway terminus to the point of beginning, enclosing the Constitution Avenue exedra.

This pretty clearly includes sections in Arlington. Andrew Jameson (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NRIS is pretty bad about properly listing bridges that enter multiple jurisdictions; I've seen the same problem come up several times with bridges across the Mississippi River. It's pretty clear from the official boundaries that the bridge enters Arlington County, though, so it should be included in the Arlington County list as well. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, i saw notice of this discussion at wt:NRHP, probably where others came from too. User:Corker1, please do discuss here. There was a lot said in long edit summaries before. User:Corker1's last edi summary did suggest moving over to the Talk page (i.e. here). For what it is worth, there are lots of errors and omissions about NRHP data that have been identified already and noted at wp:NRIS info issues VA and wp:NRIS info issues DC. I think it is good practice to note issues in those work pages, with intent to work later with state or national NRHP staff. And, in Wikipedia, to put in what we know is correct, despite an error existing somewhere noted. --Doncram (talk) 06:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is my understanding that, in general, one jurisdiction nominates a property for inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places. A bridge that is in more than one jurisdiction is still nominated by only one. The Arlington Memorial Bridge, which is substantially in the District of Columbia as is the Potomac River at this point, was listed in DC. (It appears it may have been nominated by the National Park Service, which owns it.) However, the bridge necessarily extends into Arlington County, Virginia, otherwise, it could not properly function as a bridge. For our purposes, I don't think it matters which jurisdiction nominated a property and then had it listed in. The bridge is partially in Arlington County (even if ever so slightly), it is listed on the NRHP, and therefore I see no reason why we cannot list it in both Arlington County and in DC. Farragutful (talk) 17:56, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As Farragutful says, it wouldn't be able to function as a bridge if it were only in DC. Same with the Key Bridge. Also, see the original DC boundary markers, all of which are located in multiple jurisdictions except for the ones annexed by Alexandria. We include the West Cornerstone on three lists (Arlington County, Fairfax County, and Falls Church city) because it's located in all three of them, even though NRIS only mentions Falls Church. Nyttend (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The ends of the main span are actually both in DC -- the western end is on an island in the river separated from Virginia by a narrow channel of the river. A second bridge spans that channel. If the listing only included the main span and its abutments, it would not belong on this list. But it unambiguously includes other things, of which some are in Virginia. Magic♪piano 02:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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