Talk:Neo-ultramontanism

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Merge[edit]

I suggest that this page be merged with ultramontanism. Aryder779 (talk) 15:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might deserve to be kept, since Neo-ultramontanism is widely considered to be a heresy when measured up to Traditonalist or Conservative standards, and so it is generally thought to be distinct from Ultramontanism per se. It is based on confusion between Episcopal authority and Magisterial authority. ADM (talk) 11:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion of Episcopal authority and Magisterial authority[edit]

The point this article is making, rightly or wrongly, is that some people tend to confuse Episcopal authority with Magisterial authority. Now, the Pope is a bishop like any other, and ought to be treated with the respect and obedience due to all bishops, much like youth are held to respect their fathers and forefathers.

This said, no typical bishop can ever make an infallible statement, except when he is the titular of the Holy See of Rome, and if and only if he is making a definitive dogmatic declaration on matters of divine revelation. Every bishop does however have his own non-Infallible ordinary and authentic Magisterium, and it is very much acceptable to speak of a Magisterium of bishops, such as described by Christus Dominus at Vatican II.

Such infallible statement include the pronoucements on the dogmata of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption. Now, some matters of ecclesiastic discipline are also considered to be almost semi-infallible because they are paramount to the sacred constitution of the Church, such as Ordinatio Sacerdotalis and Apostolicae Curae.

Another issue related to this is that many SSPX-ers put Quanta Cura on the same Magisterial level as Apostolicae Curae and Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, something which has not been recognized by the Holy See. [1] ADM (talk) 11:00, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]