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Coordinate error[edit]

{{geodata-check}} The coordinates need the following fixes:

Correct coordinates: 29.607140, -95.143856

Brownishcoat (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done, based on address given in press release at http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/news/releases/1996_1998/j98-21.html BrainMarble (talk) 00:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Neutral Buoyancy Laboratories[edit]

This article is specific to a single Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory, the one at the US Government's NASA Texas location. It may be the case that the Wikipedia article should be generalized to discuss Neutral Buoyancy Laboratories in general, where the NASA facility is only one example. The Europeans and Russians have neutral buoyancy facilities. And now even the private company Bigelow Aerospace has one (Space, Inc. moving closer to launch, page 3). Any opinions from other editors? N2e (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, but it would be best to do it in a structured way. The same generalisation happened with Submarine escape tower, and it took quite a bit of sorting out. If it becomes a general article, the title would have to be Neutral buoyancy laboratory (without the caps), since it would no longer be a proper noun. I'll put some more sources here to get background on what could be in the expanded article:

"ESA - Human Spaceflight and Exploration - Astronauts - Neutral buoyancy EVA training". European Space Agency. 10 April 2008. Retrieved 5 December 2010. - Pre-familiarisation training course is conducted at EAC's Neutral Buoyancy Facility (NBF). The European Astronaut Centre (EAC) is in Cologne, Germany.
Wikipedia article Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center at Star City, Russia has some info about the neutral buoyancy water pool, but needs sourcing.
"HYDRO LAB". Gagarin Research&Test Cosmonaut Training Center. 28 August 2007. Retrieved 5 December 2010. - Description of Hydro Lab, the neutral buoyancy facility at GCTC.
"Space suit training in the neutral buoyancy laboratory in Cosmonaut Training Center at Star City. Train like cosmonauts and astronauts in simulated space conditions and explore Space Station model in space suit ORLAN M." ATLAS Aerospace. 2010. Retrieved 5 December 2010. - Article on the suit used at the GCTC.
commons:Category:Yuri Gagarin Cosmonauts Training Center for some images.
Yuri Gagarin Cosmonauts Training Center ISBN 978-6133113480 ISBN 6133113480 may have more info, but I'd have to find a copy, the ISBN only gives a result at Amazon.

Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 20:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good work on the list of potential sources RexxS! And good note on caution about how we do this. One way is to rejigger this article for a worldwide view. The other rational alternative is to create a new article for Neutral buoyancy training facility or Neutral buoyancy laboratory (a general article, note no caps) and retitle this article to allow it to remain US-specific and NASA-specific. In the meantime, until a consensus is reached and some article work is done, I've added a {gloabalize} tag to this existing article. N2e (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there an NBL at NASA's Marshall Center in Alabama? Seem to remember seeing it while on a tour from the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville. Dwp49423 (talk)

The general concept of using neutral buoyancy is already presented at neutral buoyancy, which this article links to. I've created and populated Category:Neutral buoyancy facilities to collect the specific facilities. » Swpb^{τ • ¢} 02:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some More Info[edit]

Neutral Buoyancy Simulator (NBS) (1967-1997)

Marshall Spaceflight Center, Alabama, USA

"Was used for EVA training until the early Space Shuttle program days", I have no idea what they used it for during the decade that followed.

Weightless Environment Training Facility (WETF) (1980-1998)

Building 29,[1] Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, USA

The Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory (NBL) (1997-present)

Sonny Carter Training Facility, Houston, Texas, USA (~15 minute drive from JSC and walking distance from Boeing's Houston Product Support Center and Ellington Airport)

Hydro Lab (1980-present)

Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center, Star City, Russia

Japanese Weightlessness Environment Test System (WETS) (1997-2011)

Tsukuba Space Center, Tsukuba, Ibaraki, Japan

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20150020967.pdf

NASA also did some water training for the EVAs of Gemini 12 (launched late 1966), I'm unsure what pool they used for that. I'm unsure what Russia used prior to 1980 but I know a book that would have info on it.--Craigboy (talk) 05:44, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New page has been created, see Neutral buoyancy pool.--Craigboy (talk) 10:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What Kind of Water?[edit]

Does anyone know what sort of water NASA use in this? Yes, I know, the sort made out oxygen and hydrogen, but tap, distilled, chlorinated? I imagine it's necessary to inhibit growth of algae etc., and that there could be problems with any kit which is immersed for any period of time. Also they won't want to empty it too often to clean it out. If anyone has the details, maybe they could add them to the article.86.164.110.91 (talk) 21:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chlorinated[2]. Also if I remember correctly, it has never been emptied and took several weeks to fill.--Craigboy (talk) 05:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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