Talk:Niagara Centre (provincial electoral district)

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Summary of my recent edits to this article[edit]

It's close to 1 am for me, but I have made a bunch of recent edits to this page. The gist of my changes involved:

  • Changed formerly Welland to renamed to Welland because it was Niagara Centre then Welland then Niagara Centre (at least if the rest of the lead is correct)
  • Added inline citations to Ontario MPPs. I still have to figure out why the refs don't look normal (in regards to a small superscript-like effect that's missing). Maybe it's because of the template? Or there's another way to cite sources within the template that would prevent this issue from happening.
  • Added citations for past election results. I realize that at the moment there's a few duplicate refs here. I plan to try and fix that tomorrow but I'm having trouble thinking at this point so sleep will likely make that clearer.
  • I added preliminary election results. Clovermoss (talk) 04:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC); edited 04:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PKT: I'm pinging you because you're an experienced editor that has edited the tables on this article before. I'm worried I might have somehow messed things up. Would you mind taking a look and telling me if my edits were helpful or not? Clovermoss (talk) 14:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Clovermoss - The edits you made were pretty good - well done! I only added a change column to the 2022 results table and updated the access-date on its reference. Oh, and there's a bare URL that I will fix next. The reference numbers in the list of MPPs look weird, which must be a function of the table itself. It could be solved by adding a separate column for references, but that will be tricky since so many names are on multiple lines. Jeff Burch will need another line for the 43rd parliament, but that can wait. Cheers! PKT(alk) 15:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PKT: Thanks for getting back to me. What does the change column do? Is that information that's available when election results are official? I'm 19 so this is the first time I've been able to vote in a provincial election and I'm still a bit confused about how certain aspects of the process function. Clovermoss (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The change column is just an indicator of which way the parties' vote count went (positive/negative) and by how much. I wouldn't start calculating the change numbers until the votes become official, although some other editors might go ahead anyway. Congrats on your first vote! I'm 63 and never miss an election - it's a privilege and a duty, IMO........ PKT(alk) 18:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PKT: So just to make sure I understand this right, the percent column works in comparison to the last election? Do you calculate that yourself or wait for places like Elections Ontario to publish information like that? Regardless, I get why you'd want to wait until the results are official.
I got to vote in the 2021 Canadian federal election, too. :) I'm closer to 20 than I am to 18. Still, I think it's a cool milestone. I didn't even realize provincial elections were a thing until this year. The weird thing is, I knew that Premiers existed. I guess I thought the process was different for provincial government representatives somehow? I don't know. It's kind of embarassing I had misconceptions like that. I blame my infamilarity with the process with being the only one in my family to vote. I respect their decisions not to, even if I disagree. I do think it's an important democratic process. Clovermoss (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC); edited 19:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PKT: So I tried to add a reference parameter in this edit [1] but that just results in everything disappearing. Is that supposed to happen? Clovermoss (talk) 10:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again Clovermoss - regarding the change column, I think you got the idea....the change column shows the difference in a party's percent of the vote (up or down) in comparison to the previous election. It's easy enough to calculate, but I like to wait until the numbers settle down. Regarding the reference parameter, mea culpa. I had forgotten that it's built on templates. Those templates don't recognize a parameter called "Reference", which is why the refs disappeared..... PKT(alk) 13:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PKT: Would {{CANelec/source}} as used elsewhere in the article be a suitable alternative, then? All of the refs are from the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, but different webpages. So I'm not sure if that's considered an acceptable practice. Do you think it should just stay as-is since that's more accurate? Or is there some other alternative that I'm missing since there can't be a ref column? Clovermoss (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, but no. My first reaction was "try it, without saving, and see if it works". My second reaction was to try it myself :) It looks like the {{Ont MPP}} template doesn't recognize the CANelec template, and just ignores it. An alternative that comes to mind might be to just use text at the bottom of the table - ie, something like "Source: <ref>Reference info</ref>", if you can make that sort of thing work. Cheers, PKT(alk) 16:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PKT: Do I have the right idea here [2]? I've tried messing around with the table a bit to get included as a seperate row, but none of my solutions worked. So I did this. But I'd like a second opinion that that's actually what I should be doing before I go to the trouble of doing it for every single reference. Clovermoss (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep - that's what I was thinking of. There could be a more elegant solution, but I'm not aware of one. PKT(alk) 21:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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