Talk:Nikita Mazepin

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2020

Change "Mazepin also released an apology, stating "I have to hold myself to a higher standard as a Formula 1 driver and I acknowledge I have let myself and many people down"", to "Mazepin also released an apology, stating "I have to hold myself to a higher standard as a Formula 1 driver and I acknowledge I have let myself and many people down". Mazepin deleted the apology nine days later".

Change "The woman in the video defended Mazepin and labelled his actions as a joke between the two." to "The woman in the video originally defended Mazepin, and labelled his actions as a joke between the two. However, she later implied that the encounter was non-consensual, posting an Instagram story that advised her followers to "never let them touch you again or be disrespectful to you". Lucy2021 (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

References

@Lucy2021: done with adjusted wording. Feel free to review my wording and come back if you would like to make further changes to it.
SSSB (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2020

I suggest changing "The sanction itself was controversial, with Frits van Amersfoort, boss of the Van Amersfoort Racing, the team that hired Ilott calling it "a ridiculous decision by the stewards"." to "The rather lenient sanction itself was controversial, with Frits van Amersfoort, boss of the Van Amersfoort Racing, the team that hired Ilott calling it "a ridiculous decision by the stewards"." by including the words "rather lenient".

Right now the segment can be read as if the boss of the attacked driver is downplaying the severity of the incident by calling it ridiculous, but the sources clearly show that the boss of the attacked driver feels the incident is much more severe than the sanction Mazepin got. 95.223.213.142 (talk) 07:27, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done, slightly different wording. It is not our job to decide if it was too lenient. I have changed it to "The sanction itself was controversial, with Frits van Amersfoort, boss of the Van Amersfoort Racing, the team that hired Ilott calling it "a ridiculous decision by the stewards", beliveing the decision to be too lenient".— Preceding unsigned comment added by SSSB (talk • contribs) 08:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Controversy

I am aware that there are concerns about how to cover this while maintaining a WP:NPOV and while complying with WP:BLP; however we must address the quite simple objective fact that Nikita Mazepin is a "controversial" figure and that much of the coverage he has received from independent reliable sources has focused on "controversial" things he has done. I don't really know how to do this, but there has to be something better than constant slow motion edit wars. To provide some examples a quick google search brings up these Motor Sport magazine, Autosport, The Race, and Race Fans articles on the matter. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

We can include all of those incidents but explicitly calling him contraversial is a WP:NPOV violation and not necessary. We can just include those incidents and let readers make up their own minds.
SSSB (talk) 09:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

With all due respect letting people make up there minds when it's not really a he said/she said, all the facts are laid out, I can understand the on track incidents but the fight in the paddock unprompted and the most recent instagram video are illegal, and shouldn't be a matter of perspective, a neutrals pov would see the video and the lack of communication afterwards and struggle to find a way to defend him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samwellgam (talk • contribs) 11:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Then people will read about the fight or Instagram post in the relevant section of the article and reach the conclusion that he behaved incorrectly. We don't need a "controversy" section for that.
SSSB (talk) 11:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Typo

Suggestion: In the "Career" section under "Formula One", change "archieved" to "achieved" Ronulitsky (talk) 07:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Fixed. Thanks for pointing out the error. DH85868993 (talk) 09:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2021

Under Career->Formula 3, first paragraph, change ambiguous pronouns “he hit him” to “Mazepin hit Ilott.” Pit270 (talk) 08:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done
SSSB (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Blue Flags

Mazepin has acquired a reputation in his F1 career to date for being unaware and/or choosing to ignore blue flags - to the point that drivers have reguarly complained on the team radio and team principles have felt compelled to complain to race control and known to many in the F1 Paddock as "The Mobile Chicane" (as Toto Wolff was seen to do in the 2021 Spanish GP).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.136.141 (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, you require a citation. WP:BLP applies. Secondly, I don't see any basis for these claims. Teams and drivers complain about blue flags before they become an issue. Also, you can't achieve a reputation like this in three races (crashing out of Bahrain on lap one) - I see no evidence of this.
SSSB (talk) 19:52, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Do you follow F1 SSSB?

"There has been a furore with regards to Mazepin, the Russian driver has courted controversy ever since he agreed to sign with the Haas F1 outfit and the rookie has been invovled in a series of on track incidents that have seen block several drivers."

https://racingnews365.com/mazepin-says-hes-still-learning-how-to-deal-with-blue-flags

"He (Mazepin) was issued a three-place grid penalty for impeding the lap of McLaren’s Lando Norris in the first of three rounds of qualifying."

https://beyondtheflag.com/2021/05/09/formula-1-nikita-mazepin-unfortunate-disappear/

"In a transmission broadcast on the world feed, Wolff said: "Michael, blue flags, blue flags! Michael, this guy makes us lose the position.""

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/64765/wolff-wanted-to-show-who-is-in-command-with-mazepin-radio-rant-steiner/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.136.141 (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

You want to turn down the aggression? I follow F1, that doesn't mean I remember every blue flag infraction, or can be bothered to read every news article. What you gave me last time looked like an opinion, with an WP:UNSOURCED assertion. You have provided the necessary sources - I haven't got time now, but I'll try to remember to work it into the article later.
SSSB (talk) 15:55, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Finished Tenth

I don't understand why the Formula 3 European Championship section has such a convoluted way of saying that Mazepin finished tenth. "He finished one place behind teammate Ralf Aron, who was ninth, and five behind fifth-placed Jake Hughes." Is this an article about Mazepin or a word-smithed press release? Gramby (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. I've been WP:BOLD and copyedited it.
SSSB (talk) 20:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Looks good. Thank you! I normally just take care of these things myself but this article seems like it's overly contentious (at least skimming through the talk section).Gramby (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2021

Change "Fastest Laps: 0" to "Fastest Laps: 1" Divvylmao (talk) 00:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: No fastest lap was awarded at the Belgian Grand Prix.
SSSB (talk) 08:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2021 (2)

Fastest Laps should be 1 not 0 173.0.208.130 (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: No fastest lap was awarded at the Belgian Grand Prix.
SSSB (talk) 08:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2021 (3)

fastest lap is 1 not 0 because he got it at the 2021 belgium grand prix 82.0.217.235 (talk) 08:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: No fastest lap was awarded at the Belgian Grand Prix.
SSSB (talk) 08:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Nicknames

Nikita Has a Nick name of Mazespin (Which I love because sbinalla) But Over 1,924,384 people hate Mazepin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cycloneforce (talk • contribs) 00:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

We would need a source showing this has common, widespread usage before adding it to the article (per Wikipedia:Verifiability and WP:DUE). SSSB (talk) 10:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

What sourcing I can find (Speedcafe, Autosport, and Sky Sports as examples) suggests that it may be commonly used enough to warrant making Nikita Mazespin a redirect, as some people may genuinely think that is how is name is spelled. I haven't seen enough that I think going into depth in the article is particularly warranted though; it seems to just be a joke people have made regarding a couple of incidents where he has spun his car. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Going off this logic we'd have to create a redirect for [[The Doctor]] for Valentino Rossi too... Obama gaming (talk) 00:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Not really. The logic is that people could be mispelling Mazepin as Mazespin. You can't mispell (Valentino) Rossi as The Doctor. That being said, Rossi is already on The Doctor (nickname) which is on The Doctor (disambiguation), so that redirect would exist (if it weren't for the number of other things "The Doctor" could refer to)/ SSSB (talk) 09:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I suppose, but Mazespin has a negative connotation, since it's a nickname assigned due to his apparent "prolific spinning on track" (despite Mick's numerous crashes), and I have yet to seen it officially mentioned outside of F1 pundits/fanbases, perhaps [[Masepin]] would be a more reasonable redirect, as the s & z can be confused, especially since he's a Russian. I don't particularly like most F1 fan-given nicknames either, especially ones like "Crashstappen", "Crymilton", "Yuki Spinoda", "Torpedo" (for Kvyat) they're all childish & serve no purpose other than to individually degrade the driver. [[Smooth Operator (nickname)]] for Sainz perhaps? Obama gaming (talk) 03:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree that all of those names would make for inappropraite redirects (including smooth operator). SSSB (talk) 10:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hmmmm, why not for Sainz? It's a fairly positive nickname, & there's even a couple of articles that mention it 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. If Ricciardo can have Honey Badger, is it not unfair to give Sainz his denonym too? Looking forward to your reply Obama gaming (talk) 20:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Because (as far as I'm aware) the nickname is obscure even in F1 circles. If that's wrong, I'm perfectly happy for it to be added. SSSB (talk) 23:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I would not say it's not obscure, mainly because of how often it is broadcast in F1's post race radio "best moments" videos, which often attract millions of views. Not to mention it's been used by motorsport websites that I linked above such as Autosport and motorsport.com, I think it's fair to say that whilst exactly not being a household nickname like the Doctor for Rossi or the Professor for Prost, it's certainly not obscure either. Hope this helps. Obama gaming (talk) 08:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Most of the sources refer to it as a running joke, not a nickname. That's a key distinction. SSSB (talk) 09:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Understood. Obama gaming (talk) 04:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2021

Fastest lap: 1 (2021 Belgium go) 90.221.166.67 (talk) 23:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Fastest lap was not awarded/recognised at the 2021 Belgian GP - see 2021 Belgian Grand Prix for further information. DH85868993 (talk) 03:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2021

He has 1 fastest lap in spa this year 87.232.152.126 (talk) 08:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  melecie  t - 08:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Please see the edit request directly above this. SSSB (talk) 09:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Update

Effective 03/05/2022 he is a former F1 driver for HAAS 2601:589:4606:B070:742E:5418:8226:5397 (talk) 15:41, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Article has been updated (not by me, someone else) SSSB (talk) 12:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

He was fired by Haas due to Russia’s invasion of

He is no longer with Hass, they fired him and the sponsor Urakali due to Russian invasion of Ukraine. 73.118.241.116 (talk) 16:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

That's exactly what the article says.... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Pro-Russian Wikipedia Employees?

Why is this locked from adding more details about his connections with the Putin regime? How about Nikita forming an international “charity” to fund Russian drivers? 24.147.181.98 (talk) 03:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Would you provide a source? Klrfl Talk! 05:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

It's locked from editing due to repeated vandalism. And there's no "pro-Russian Wikipedia employees", because Wikipedia is maintained by volunteers, and everyone here is actually trying to be NPOV and not just create a massive criticism article like you sounds like you want to. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

His foundation also isn't a connection to the Putin regime. I would suggest you are actually more anti-Russian than any of us are pro-Russian (which is irrelevant, we all have political opinions, we just keep them off Wikipedia). SSSB (talk) 09:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Biased, Baloney conjecture in the lead paragraph

article reads -- "He was originally signed to race for the team in 2022, but his contract was terminated after the first winter test due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

He was the WORST driver in the league in 2021. There were innumerable reasons for termination of his contract. At no time did Haas specify the reason for contract termination. It's baloney to suggest for him that his firing was entirely political. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.120.206 (talk) 05:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

No, it is entirely accurate, and sourced within the body. SSSB (talk) 10:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

He had a contract for 2022 signed. It was terminated after the Russian invasion- that is what sources say, and a sensible understanding of the timeline does too. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

The woman he groped is his girlfriend.178.164.229.29 (talk) 06:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 💜  melecie  talk - 08:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Internet meme

I feel that there should be a internet meme category for Mazepin, sit to high popularity of “Mazspin” meme. 2600:1702:2040:4430:B578:1A59:2CD6:6FE3 (talk) 01:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

About flag news

I want to specify the news that Nikita does not want to participate in competitions under a neutral flag. In fact, he competed under a neutral flag in the 2021 season. The contract was terminated due to sanctions against the Mazepin family. https://rsport.ria.ru/20220921/mazepin-1818371596.html Oh.provista (talk) 07:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)