Talk:Nine-dart finish

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Did you know... that the first televised nine dart finish was achieved at the World Matchplay championship in 1984 by John Lowe?

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It needs to be seven treble twenties, one treble seventeen then double fifteen NOT double twelve

Fallon Sherrock[edit]

I don't know enough about darts to feel qualified to edit this page, but if there's any past editor watching the women's section needs updated https://www.skysports.com/darts/news/12288/12837134/fallon-sherrock-hits-first-nine-darter-by-a-woman-on-pdc-tour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.244.100.102 (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Live Streaming[edit]

Does the list of televised 9 dart finishes include 9 dart finishes that happened in tournaments that were streamed live? by (Perfectamundo (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)perfectamundo)[reply]

No. -Koppapa (talk) 21:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Just wanted to say a big thanks to whoever dug out the videos of those 9-darters! Good work.

- You're welcome! Seedybob2 08:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about 3xT20, 3xT19, 3xBull?!? Wouldn't this be the hardest/most perfect ever?78.146.124.77 (talk) 12:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is seemingly conflicting information in this article; a) The first televised nine dart finish was achieved at the World Matchplay championship on October 13, 1984 by John Lowe. b) Phil Taylor ... August 1, 2002 ... It was the first live-televised nine-dart finish on British television. c) Contrary to popular belief, Shaun Greatbatch hit the first ever nine-dart finish during a live televised darts match ... which was broadcasted on Dutch television

a) and b) could both be correct if the distinction is that a) was the first to be recorded and shown on television and b) was the first shown live. c) is presumably incorrect or meant to be specific to the Netherlands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.136.212 (talk) 09:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel Words Cleanup[edit]

I have begun removing weasel words in the category Methods of Achievement but further work is neccessary. Any help is appreciated. ozkidzez91 (talk) 10:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea. To me, this section looks like original research - there are no sources given for any of it. It may be correct, but if it hasn't been published anywhere... --hippo43 (talk) 00:39, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

T20, T19, Bull (X3).[edit]

I vaguely recall a televised interview where Bobby George claimed to have 'invented' this method of checking out in 9. Does anyone else remember this? I can't find a reference.--Ykraps (talk) 08:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone ever done this 9-darter? AMCKen (talk) 19:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

non-TV darters[edit]

It should be noted that those 9-darters happen often in training by many professionals. i think taylor said once he hits them on a daily basis. big non-televised floor tournaments often have them too. they are "rarer" on tv because there are not that much tv-tournaments, especially 10 years ago. -Koppapa (talk) 06:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Game not sport[edit]

I think that we should call dart a game, not a sport. For starters, it is not recognized as an olympic sport. It is also called a game in the darts page. Should it be changed? If we get consensus, then I will change it. RileyBugz^{Yell at me} | _Edits 21:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Alan Norris 9-darter[edit]

I disagree that the Alan Norris 9-darter in the 2016 Players Championship Finals should be included in a list of televised nine darters. What makes the others on the list notable is that they were broadcast as a part of matches that were being televised in their entirety. The Norris 9 is the only one that was televised only as a 'highlight' of a match which couldn't be seen otherwise. I believe that the list should only include 9-darters that were a part of televised matches.

It seems to me that including the Norris 9 would also mandate that a 9-darter, even if completed in practice or in a local tournament, would merit inclusion in the list simply by virtue of having been filmed and later shown on TV. If a streamed 9-dart finish from a PDC floor event (e.g. MvG's on the Euro Tour earlier this year) was later rebroadcast on TV as a highlight of that tournament, would it be included in this list?

Ochepedia (talk) 02:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)ochepedia[reply]

Yeah, it probably shouldn't be in here. -Koppapa (talk) 11:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove it if no one objects. -Ochepedia (talk) 19:50, 03 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Women's nine-darters - strange date[edit]

in section "Women's nine-darters", please change the date of 31 November 1995 in the second sentence :-) I don't know when that tournament took place, some dart fan will surely be able to contribute the right date. --BernieM (talk) 15:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bullseye & double[edit]

"A single game of darts (known as a leg) requires a player to score exactly 501 points, ending with either the bullseye or a double." - the bullseye is a double, isn't it? --KnightMove (talk) 07:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The inner bullseye (worth 50 pints) counts as a double, yes. Whether it actually is a double is debatable. In any event, I don't think any of this is particularly well known outside darting circles so I think the sentence is better left as it is. --Ykraps (talk) 08:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MODUS Super Series Nine-Darters[edit]

I see multiple sources where they consider the MODUS Super Series Nine-Darters as televised nines; none of them are considered for this article.

The MODUS Super Series event is broadcast on television through Sporty Stuff TV, but would this be eligible for the criteria as, according to Mastercaller, all the MODUS nine-darters are not considered televised nines but instead streamed ones? Should these nine-darters be added as well? or do they not fit the actual criteria for a televised nine?

These nines would add Conor Heneghan, Darryl Pilgrim, Steve West, Fallon Sherrock, etc.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't consider it televised. Some nines that were in fact in TV, are not considered televised, even those that were on stage, like Chisnall on Belgian Darts Open 2022. Since always televised nines were those on big stage and bigger channels.

Sky claims and will claim her nine is televised, only because she's their mascot. But I wouldn't introduce inconsistency here just because of them. Haifisch7734 (talk) 06:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If reliable sources say it was on television, we go with the reliable sources. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But it wasn't on television!

It may be 'visually recorded' - but that isn't 'television'. Woodlandscaley (talk) 14:53, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was on television. It aired on television. You could watch it happen LIVE on television if you turned your television on with your television remote. Sporty Stuff TV is as much a television channel as Sky Sports or ITV. Maybe we should rename the section to nine-darters in majors (although lest we invite debate about what that means)? DanTheStripe (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, i'd agree. SHerrock should be in. All the news repeat she has "first televised". -Koppapa (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with news is that they are biased because it was Fallon Sherrock. I didn't see anything about other Modus nines that those are televised. We want to be consistent or not? Haifisch7734 (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is original research on your behalf. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So we agree also on counting other nine darters? Heneghan's? Chisnall's? Haifisch7734 (talk) 16:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the argument as it was televised on Sporty Stuff TV is that some PDC events on the European Tour are televised but are considered streamed events while some are only broadcasted by their own PDC TV.

Furthermore, you can't rename the section to only majors because you have Phil Taylor's nine-darter from the Sydney Darts Masters, which is a World Series event, not a major, but still televised.

In relation to Fallon Sherrock being added, I see no problem whatsoever. The problem I have is the unfair and inconsistent choices, which would then need to include all the other nine-darters, which were from MODUS and televised by Sporty Stuff TV, for example, Heneghan, Pilgrim, West, etc.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, we include those too. We can't pick and choose which televised nine-darters to include just because they aren't the highest standard darting corporation or because they're not on Sky or whatever. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy with the addition of all MODUS Super Series nine-darters.

This would mean the inclusion of the following nine-darters:

Before adding these, just ask if that is alright for everyone in this discussion.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As long as they are all properly sourced to non-primary sources. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems a fair compromise.

The fawning and selective cherry-picking over Fallon Sherrock was completely inconsistent.

As I declared in my edit reverts, it should be either ALL of the 9-darters in this event - or none at all. Woodlandscaley (talk) 22:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So add them then! Nobody is stopping you! All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why haven’t you added Chisnall’s though? Not only was it televised, it was actually during a live broadcast. T v x1 18:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was broadcast on PDC TV and was not really classified on television. Modus, for example, is televised on Sporty Stuff TV and is not considered a broadcast but rather a television channel, which is eligible to count per this talk page. If it is proven otherwise, feel free to add to the nine darters yourself, plus not all the Modus ones were added solely based on trying to find a source for them; therefore, I added the ones that I could.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 23:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You do know that the UK isn’t the only country in the world, don’t you? It wasn’t only broadcast on PDC TV. The entire tournament was broadcast live by Belgium’s premier dutch language commercial TV broadcaster. Not even on pay TV, but on free-to air TV. I watched every single dart of that tournament, including the nine dart finish, live on Belgian television. T v x1 11:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prize money[edit]

Please clarify the paragraph in the Prize money section.

"In 2019, a special prize of £100,000 was available to any player who hits two nine-dart finishes at the PDC World Championships, a feat which has never previously been achieved at any World Championship. As such, it didn't happen, and by the end of 2019, all prize money for nine-dart finishes were withdrawn, owing to the ever increasing prize fund for tournaments."

Is it only the PDC that withdrew the prize money for a nine dart finish? (Fran Bosh (talk) 23:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC))[reply]

I think that paragprah is outright wrong. I'm pretty certain the two Nine-darters prize still exists at the PDC World Darts Championship. Something with £50k for the player and £50k for a random fan. No idea wether other governing bodies, like the WDF, award prize money. T v x1 00:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]