Talk:Nintendo Switch/Archive 3

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Measurements are wrong (Edit Request 21 May, 2019)

In the dimensions for the Switch Console (Without JoyCons), the width is wrong. Currently, the width is listed as 203mm, but measuring the Switch I have, I got 172mm; a significant distance. Height and Depth seem accurate. 216.170.142.240 (talk) 21:51, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done Looks like someone miscalculated when decucting the Joy-Con (both of them). Fixed. --Masem (t) 21:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit request

Nintendo otherwise allows publishers to set the price for a game, only requiring the list price be the same for physical and digital releases, if a physical release is made.
(Not to change the content, just to add a citation to verify the content that's already there)

 Done Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 04:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Add release date in Argentina

The Nintendo Switch will be officially released in Argentina in August 15, 2017. Source: http://culturageek.com.ar/nintendo-switch-argentina-precio-fecha/

This source might be a more serious: https://nintendoeverything.com/switch-releasing-in-argentina-on-august-15th/ Maxeto0910 (talk) 08:27, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Misleading link

The link for "hybrid video game console" in the info box is misleading in my opinion because it just leads you to to the eight-generation video game consoles. We should create an own article called "Hybrid console" or create at least an own section about hybrid consoles in the article "Video game console". Maxeto0910 (talk) 08:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Hybrid doesn’t need its own article. If created, it’d just be 80% Switch content, and 20% original research of people trying to force the term onto other systems. That’s why it’s a redirect right now and not an article. It probably doesn’t need a wiki-link at all - this article is pretty comprehensive in describing the concept here. Sergecross73 msg me 17:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I just made up this section on Video game console#Types where pointing Hybrid would be better. --Masem (t) 18:42, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Main articles

I would suggest to make main articles about the hardware and the Nintendo Switch Lite because these sections contain enough information for an own article and the article Nintendo Switch is already very long and uncomfortable to read and becomes even longer with time. What do you think about that? Maxeto0910 (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no enough hardware change in the Lite to make a separate page viable. It's comparable to the Xbox One S and X versions, being covered on the main Xbox One page. --Masem (t) 16:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

We just discussed this one section above. Theres no need yet. Sergecross73 msg me 17:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Where is the Switch Lite, the 3DS's successor?

The Switch Lite announced today, which is the 3DS's successor, proving Switch IS replacing the 3DS as well! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3AE0:4760:A5C0:276A:805F:7EF2 (talk) 15:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

1) It is not considered the successor by Nintendo [1]. 3DS will continue to be supported.

2) there's a section for the Lite under Hardware revisions. It might get its own page later, but there's little else different to require it. --Masem (t) 15:51, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

References

Well, DS was not considered GBAs successor either by Nintendo. That doesn´t change the fact that is obviously is and is listed as such. There is no reason to treat Switch Lite different.--77.185.58.52 (talk) 08:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

No gaming websites covering the Switch Lite are calling it a successor to the 3DS, is the thing. And I personally disagree with the notion that it would be considered the successor in the first place, but that's just me. --letcreate123 (talk) 16:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

By your logic DS wouldn´t be the successor to the GBA either. Also I could give you lots of liks to gaming websites calling it a 3DS successor. And as a matter of fact it will replace the 3DS as soon as 3DS will lose it´s support. There is no way Nintendo will release another handheld system as a replacement so only Switch Lite fulfils that role.77.185.229.195 (talk) 20:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch Lite

Hi We should have an article because it is not a revision but a portable version. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Maybe I'm in a minority but I found the original to be pretty portable.... so while it might need a separate article eventually, that's not a reason for it to happen now. -- ferret (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

No, I agree too. It’s just a smaller version with some features removed. The short subsection seems to cover everything just fine at the moment. Sergecross73 msg me 17:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

We have an article for Nintendo 2DS and Switch L replaces 3DS. --Panam2014 (talk) 20:43, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It's too soon and unnecessary to split out the NSLite. -- ferret (talk) 20:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Panam. It is not unnecessary because it is an actual replacement unlike New 3DS and 2DS. Also the original Switch was not nearly as portable as a regular handheld. The new one however is.--77.185.58.52 (talk) 08:15, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

It is not in any way a replacement, to the Switch or to the 3DS as you've claimed in the section above this one (in fact, Nintendo even talked about plans for the 3DS in 2020). It's merely an alternate model that was just announced less than a week ago and it would be far too soon to separate it from its parent subject article when we know so little about it at the moment and coverage on it is just arriving fresh out of the oven. --letcreate123 (talk) 15:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

It IS a replacement not for the SWitch but for the 3DS because the 3DS support will end soon. We know every technical detail that´s needed to conclude it´s a successor to the 3DS since it´s the only Nintendo handheld that will stay on the market after 3DS will end. They don´t have to label it a successor for it to factually be one. Remember that DS is a successor to the GBA line for the same reason, despite never "officially" replacing the GBA.77.185.229.195 (talk) 20:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I think the section on here is fine for now also. If it gets too large, we can always move it to a separate page at that point in time. I think it's currently too soon (WP:TOOSOON) for such an article - the Switch Lite isn't even available for consumers yet. Furthermore, I think that whether it is/will be a successor to the 3DS is irrelevant as to whether we need to create a separate article or not - if the current section gets too large, we can split it, whether it's a successor or not. Stefvanschie (talk) 08:11, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Contradictions

So, Switch debuts due to the failure of the Wii U, so how is Switch Lite, a differing form factor of Switch, the 3DS successor????? Switch isn't replacing 3DS,why is Switch Lite listed as its successor????? You love contradicting articles on here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3AE0:4760:7406:758:5814:D69A (talk) 21:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

We go by what reliable sources say. As long as you keep going with these sloppy ramblings of your personal opinions, you’ll continue to be ignored as you have been. Sergecross73 msg me 16:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

"Switch isn't replacing 3DS,why is Switch Lite listed as its successor?" Because it will be NIntendo´s only handheld on the market taking over said role from the 3DS same way DS took over that role from the Gameboy Line. Why is that so hard to understand?77.185.229.195 (talk) 21:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Nintendo's first loss was March, 2012, Wii U debuted November, 2012

That line "With the release of the Wii U in 2012, the company had posted its first loss as a video game company." is inaccurate, Nintendo posted the loss 7 months PRIOR to Wii U's release, as seen in this April, 2012 (from fiscal year ending March 31, 2012) article:

https://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/4/26/2975416/nintendo-earnings-loss

While Wii U debuted in November, 2012: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/nov/19/wii-u-launch-us-problems

The line should read "In 2012, the company posted its first loss as a video game company." as it was due to the price drop of the 3DS leading to their first ever financial loss, which is why they posted the loss 7 months prior to the Wii U's launch. Their first financial loss wasn't attributed to the Wii U, because when a system isn't on store shelves yet, and the company is losing money due to the price drop of their current system on the market, it's due to their current system (3DS) losing them money, as seen by this line "For its fiscal year ending March 31st, Nintendo posted over half a billion in losses due to declining Wii sales and disappointing 3DS sales performance." from this source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/05/02/nintendo-reports-its-first-annual-loss-in-three-decades-over-500-million-in-the-red/#1775eeef52f8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3AE0:4760:1C1D:F19F:75E4:F7FB (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I have fixed the sentence to point out the first loss ws before Wii U but the losses on subsequent years were due to poor Wii U sales. That is fair enough. --Masem (t) 16:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Improved Battery Life with Latest Version

Hi I'm new to editing on Wikipedia so rather than jumping in with an edit I thought I'd point this out. Just after the announcement of the Switch Lite, Nintendo also confirmed a new version of the Switch console with improved battery life. The battery life with new version, units with their serial number starting with "XK" https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/Nintendo-Switch/How-to-Identify-Nintendo-Switch-Consoles-With-Improved-Battery-Life-1671732.html and model number HAC-001(-01) https://www.t3.com/news/nintendo-switchs-secret-upgrade-how-to-spot-if-you-have-the-new-console or specify a model number starting with HAD (beside the country of manufacture) have a duration ranging from 4.5 to 9 hours https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Nintendo-Switch-Family/Nintendo-Switch/Nintendo-Switch-1148779.html. WakingMillions (talk) 12:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

As an aside, this information was mentioned in the Nintendo Switch#Hardware revisions section, but I added the new models battery life to the infobox as well. redsparta^talk 12:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I must have missed that, thanks for the edit! WakingMillions (talk) 13:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Next Gen

With next generation being a reality as of June 11th 2020, how are we going to treat the Nintendo Switch in this regard?. We are talking for the first time in the history of the Big 3 about an intergenerational game console. Should we keep treating the Switch as a 8th gen console or should we treat it as a 9th gen one? It is a fact that (at least this year) we won't get any new revision that could be considered as a direct answers to the PS5/XSX, and ever if it was one it would be part of the Switch family. I propose to refer to the console as both a 8th and 9th gen console. "As a intergenerational console, the Nintendo Switch competes with Sony's PS4 and PS5 and Microsoft's Xbox One and Xbox Series X" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan C. S. H. (talk • contribs)

• Until both the new consoles are released and we see how the media catalogs things we shouldn't be trying to claim anything its ninth yet. And we'll have to see how they integrate the switch into that as well. It is a wait and see approach and one we dont need to answer now. --Masem (t) 02:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

No Regional Lockout

In the opening section it says the console has no regional lockout. Is that really true? In China, the system you can buy does not allow one to buy games from elsewhere (indeed, at launch a few months ago there was only one game available). Furthermore, users of Chinese systems can only play online against other Chinese users. This is all widely documented online. Isn't this a form of regional lockout?--XANIA - ЗAНИA^{Wikipedia talk | Wikibooks talk} 01:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

The China exception is given in the body, but it's probably a good idea to footnote that in the lede. --Masem (t) 01:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Nintend Switch in Brazil

Please change "However, no release date has been announced" to "It will be released on September 18th on selected stores from Lojas Americanas and Magazine Luiza, as well as in Americanas.com.br, Magazineluiza.com.br and Submarino.com.br. Nintendo plans on releasing the Switch Lite in the region in 2021".

Sources:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEt5myfDo6C/

https://www.theenemy.com.br/nintendo/nintendo-switch-brasil-preco (in Brazilian Portuguese) WeirdEssential (talk) 13:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done effectively. Not that source but at least another one with the date. --Masem (t) 16:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

3DS successor

At what point is it finally going to be considered the 3DS's successor as well? Don't say because Nintendo said it's the Wii U's successor, because they also said earlier it was NOT the Wii U's successor: https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/16/nintendo-president-nx-is-not-the-successor-to-the-wii-u-nor-to-the-3ds Pokemon, a franchise known only to be on handhelds is moving to Switch. Sequels to handheld only games like Professor Layton are coming to Switch. Detective Pikachu another handheld-only franchise is moving from 3DS to Switch (either as a port or a sequel). Clearly developers see Switch as 3DS's successor, even Nintendo sees it as that by saying no 3DS games are in development, meaning all their focus is on Switch and mobile. Why is this thing not also recorded as 3DS's successor? Anyone with an IQ that's positive can see it- oh, I answered my own question there, as most editors on here have negative IQ's. That's why you won't change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3AE0:4760:7DB7:5806:E385:FFDE (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Ignoring the fact that insulting the people who you’re asking for help is a terrible move, we go by what sources say, not whatever you feel is obvious or whatever. Do sources consistently call it a successor or no? Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Nintendo also said it's not replacing the Wii U, yet here Wii U is listed as the predecessor, explain that! https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/16/nintendo-president-nx-is-not-the-successor-to-the-wii-u-nor-to-the-3ds

Now that the 3Ds is no longer receiving new first party games and they are developing portable-only games like pokemon for it, seems like the switch is now the 3DS successorLunamoff (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Not really. We have nothing from Nintendo stating this. Just because one system follows another does not mean it is officially a "successor". --Masem (t) 16:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

You all need brain transplants, because clearly you all don't have one, announced today the Switch Lite, proving in fact the Switch IS replacing the 3DS! https://time.com/5622971/nintendo-switch-lite/

"Why you all so stupid?"- Madea

I expect now to see the Nintendo 3DS listed as one of its predecessors dumbasses, but of course you have no brains, so you won't do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3AE0:4760:A5C0:276A:805F:7EF2 (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

The article you linked doesn't say anything about the 3DS, it just talks about the Nintendo Switch Lite. The following source, which has also ben listed in a different section down below, states that the Nintendo Switch Lite will not be replacing the 3DS (as of yet). [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefvanschie (talk • contribs) 18:51, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

By "as of yet" it only means that 3DS will be supported some time from now. But the same way DS replaced GBA Switch Lite will obviously replace 3DS since 3DS won´t stay in production for all eternity.77.185.58.52 (talk) 08:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree that it's unlikely that the 3DS will be supported forever, and I certainly do think that at some point a form of the Switch will replace the 3DS as its successor. That time isn't now, however. As long as a Switch model hasn't replaced the 3DS as its successor, we shouldn't need to add that to this page. Stefvanschie (talk) 08:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

With Game Boy Advance being cited as predecessor to the DS and DS being cited as predecessor to the 3DS, it is best to maintain coherency across Wikipedia articles - especially since it is accepted that a product can has several predecessors or successors. It has been seen a number of times across Wikipedia. SteelSkin667 (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

As always, a reliable source is needed to back such statements up. If there are reliable sources that claim that the Nintendo Switch (Lite) is the successor to the 3DS, I have no problem with it being listed as such. Stefvanschie (talk) 10:40, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Now that the 3DS family has been discontinued, there shouldn't be any more roadblocks from calling both it and the Wii U the Switch family's predecessors, especially since Wikipedia already does so on the Switch Lite's page. Scarftail (talk) 04:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Yet again, Nintendo has not stated the Switch as a successor to the 3DS. And whomever filled that on the Switch Lite page was incorrect, that has been removed. Again, there is no requirement at all that a console must have a successor. --Masem (t) 05:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2020

Under "Release" the I believe the sentence "The global launch did not include parts Asia, including India and Mainland China.[53]" is missing a word, it should be "...did not include parts of Asia..." 50.0.92.166 (talk) 23:23, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 23:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Lifetime sales: attach rate in percent

In a table at 6.3.2 the attach rate is listed as a percentage. It looks like this:

Life-to-date number of units shipped, millions

Date	Hardware	Software	Attach rate
2017-03-31	2.74	5.46	1.99%
2017-06-30	4.70	13.60	2.89%

Those percentage signs shouldn't be there. Take the first row, for instance. 5.46/2.74 is 1.99 (not 1.99%). If you want it as a percentage, it should be 199%, but in my opinion 1.99 is easier to understand.

82.136.78.131 (talk) 01:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

This has been fixed, thank you. --Masem (t) 06:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Cloud Ports on Switch

OK on one of Nintendos recent/last directs, the cloud Ports for Control and Hitman 3 will be coming to the US region this and next year....the Control game already being out around the end of October....28th I think?, Shouldn't there be a revision on Games, subsection Distribution that should mention this? Also since this is the first time it will be released to the states, I feel the article should mention that as well, quoting from cloud gaming firm Ubitus who also confirmed on working with other developers into bringing more cloud ports for the switch according to this article: https://mynintendonews.com/2020/11/01/cloud-tech-firm-ubitus-working-with-developers-to-bring-more-cloud-games-to-the-nintendo-switch/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.156.147.143 (talk • contribs)

This has been added. --Masem (t) 06:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2020

Ninth generation competes with ps5 xbox series x xbox series s 420uwu (talk) 11:27, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Please see this talk page as well as WT:VG as why we have not yet defined the ninth generation of consoles on WP yet. --Masem (t) 14:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2020

Please add Nintendo Labo to related articles. User:milkmankarlson (Talk) 03:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Labo is already included on this page, so I dont' know where else it's needed. --Masem (t) 04:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Masem i meant in the infobox. User:milkmankarlson (Talk) 04:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Why would it be in the infobox? It's not part of the platform, its a game you buy for it. --Masem (t) 05:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2021

I request to correct the generation of consoles that the Nintendo Switch belongs to. Correctorhouse (talk) 08:14, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done There's currently no consensus to change this. Sergecross73 msg me 11:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Wording

@Sergecross73: The sentence in the lede is fine, I added two words. As for the other sentence, there never has been a major hybrid before, so "first hybrid since..." doesn't make sense. Esszet (talk) 01:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

It's not that you're necessarily wrong, it's just that it's too busy - you added another fragment to an already busy sentence.

Games distributed at retail are stored on proprietary cartridges, similar in design to the game cards used for Nintendo 3DS games, albeit smaller and thinner; as the world's first major hybrid, the console is the first major home-playable video game system to make use of cartridges since the Nintendo 64.

There's now five separate ideas, divided only by commas, after you've added your addition. It's way too busy of a sentence. If you can't see it, try reading it aloud or something. Sergecross73 msg me 01:27, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

There. Esszet (talk) 01:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

That is better. Still not sure why it's necessary to call it out as the best selling hybrid console. Of course it's the best selling hybrid. What is that worth? That it's outsold the Sega Nomad? Sergecross73 msg me 02:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

No, just that it isn't a home console. Esszet (talk) 12:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

You're completely right, since there were no previous hybrids, "fastest-selling hybrid" would be stupid; "home or hybrid" says exactly what you're trying to say. Esszet (talk) 12:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Switch be a 9th gen console?

The switch was released 5-6 years after the Wii U and 3DS which were 8th gen consoles and it would make sense to label the switch as a 9th gen console. Pacsonic (talk) 20:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Generations are based on how systems are grouped from an economic/competitive angle, not just because a system is the next successor to a prior system. We know the Switch/s release messes with the existing generation concept but right now there's more support to list it as 8th gen competing with the Xbox One + PS4 than with the Xbox Series X/S + PS5. That's not to say that this may potentially be a cross-generation system in the future, but we don't have sources to support that yet. Right now, over at ninth generation of video game consoles we acknowledge the Switch as a holdover from 8th gen but don't make it a full 9th gen, yet. This rumored "pro" system may change things - maybe the "Switch Pro" itself will be the 9th gen version, but we can't include that speculation yet. --Masem (t) 20:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

What's the source of Switch being 8th Generation? Wikipedia can't assume that it's 8th Generation without a reputable source - otherwise that's speculation too. Wouldn't it be safer to leave off "console generation" from the article altogether until this is all sorted out? 72.229.53.61 (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Leaving it out would leave editors wanting to add some type of generation for the Switch simply because this need to categorize. As for sources, its very easy to find sources that put the Switch as an 8th (eg [3] ) but not as 9th. --Masem (t) 23:54, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Request

The Nintendo switch is the first hybrid console.

Also it’s a handheld, not portable. It’s a home/handheld hybrid console. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mista Malone the Third (talk • contribs) 18:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

The article already clearly states that it's hybrid, and the terms handheld and portable are interchangeable, so I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. Sergecross73 msg me 00:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Mention of early OLED model release

Hello! So I'm not sure if this should be covered in the article but there are reports of some people having received their OLED model Switch early. Would this be worth adding to the OLED model section? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Unless there's some sort of effect on the product or industry....probably not? A revision being out a week or two early is going to be largely inconsequential in the scheme of the Switch's overall lifespan/history. Sergecross73 msg me 13:53, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright good to know. Unfortunately I don't think any people who work for reliable sources have received it early so we can't cover anything that was discovered about the OLED model. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I've seen some RS's with review/preview copies. I dont recall anything of note though. Mostly just stuff like "The screen looks better than expected" or "It's not enough if an upgrade" type stuff". Sergecross73 msg me 14:07, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I've heard "It's not enough of an upgrade" ever since we heard about it (understandably so because of some framerate issues on some games). I remember hearing that something we weren't told about was uncovered however I never heard what it was so I can only assume it was clickbait. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Article on oled

Should we make a separate article for the Nintendo switch oled version like how there’s a separate article for the lite version? Edskiash (talk) 04:24, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

No, the OLED is such a small revision that it does not need its own article (I would even argue the Lite doesn't need a separate article, the distinction is so small between them.) --Masem (t) 04:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Sergecross73 msg me 11:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

No. The Lite has much more of a difference compared to the Switch than the OLED. Although I do agree that the Lite technically shouldn't have a separate article. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2021

To change the Nintendo Switch Lite picture on the hardware part 2601:541:4200:1F80:0:0:0:A104 (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please provide a picture with a compatible license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Why? What's wrong with the one currently being used? Sergecross73 msg me 23:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Small error in table "Life-to-date number of units shipped, millions"

The latest hardware sales numbers for the Americas is 33.10 when i should be (according to "AS Nintendo Switch: 29.01 million, Nintendo Switch Lite: 7.30 million" 36.31 Since I cannot change it myself will someone please update the numbers. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.117.243 (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@78.54.117.243: Could you provide a source for this? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I found the issue, first that someone didn't update the report ref right for the latest report form Nintendo, and the number was a typo from that report. All confirme.d --Masem (t) 02:33, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch should be considered 9th Generation not 8th Generation

This article is lying a lot about that. Shouldn't librarians modify that now so that people are no longer fooled by it? --KwēnBē (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't even know where to begin on this one. Look through the archives to see how it came to be like this, or start by asking some more constructive questions. Sergecross73 msg me 21:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Support - Although some self proclaimed 'experts' online say it is 8th gen, Google finds just as many pages suggesting it is current. The eight gen thing seems to be exclusive to the internet; noone I have met suggests it is last gen. Since it is extremely controversial, and likely noone will be satisfied with one or the other, I suggest "...eighth or ninth generation of...". Indeed, the next console from the Big N after Switch will be a 10th gen console (even if it ran on 486 tech), and all three consoles may release around the same time next time.

The last talk article seems to be based on which games were coming to Switch (mostly it was PS4/XBone ports). That has obviously changed; it now gets the same games as the other ninth-gen consoles. It is time to evaluate this again. Kehkou (talk) 11:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to start up a new discussion on it, but it's been discussed extensively, so you're not going to persuade people if you don't provide any evidence (reliable sources) that back your stance. It doesn't appear you've done your research either, as "getting PS4/XBone ports" (???) is not even close to reading the current consensus on the matter. Sergecross73 msg me 12:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the sources thing, but my conclusion on consensus is, in fact, the result of extensive research, the consensus here being "whatever the sources say", predominantly internet based sources, with most of the internet opinions in XS/PS5's early lives having a stance that Switch is either underpowered, or (indeed) mostly "getting PS4/XBone ports". Kehkou (talk) 12:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It's infinitely moreso the former rather than the latter. It comes down to what reliable sources say. That's how all of Wikipedia functions. But as long as you're not talking in terms of sources, your argument is going to be dead in the water, just like the person who started this discussion 6 months ago. Sergecross73 msg me 13:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Recommend deleting rumored high end model

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch#Rumored_high-end_model So much garbage. None encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not the place for rumor mongering. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 20:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel.Cardenas: I agree completely. Wikipedia does not predict the future, which is basically what the section is, a bunch of RS's attempting to predict the future. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No no, you're misunderstanding. Wikipedia does not predict the future. As in, it's editors violating WP:V or WP:OR. It's okay to document reliable sources predicting the future, as long as it's framed with the proper context (and not as a fact.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Still, I don't think it should be kept per 5 in that same place. It appears to just be rumors. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

It's acceptable per "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced". Point #5 is more about having an entire dedicated article to a hypothetical Switch model, which I would agree, should definitely not happen until announced. Sergecross73 msg me 21:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

They are not reliable sources. The rumor mongering has been proven wrong, which proves very unreliable. From wp:crystal:

...only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place...

Since the unreliable sources have made predictions which haven't been true, this certainly doesn't meet the criteria in wp:crystal . Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I've reverted this removal. The claim this is based on unreliable sources is flat wrong. Strong secondary RS's are in use for this section. -- ferret (talk) 22:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Not entirely clear what your definition of a reliable source is, but the ones currently in the article have an active consensus for being reliable per WP:VG/S. We'd generally go by that unless/until a consensus would arise to change their classification. Sergecross73 msg me 22:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

It still bothers me that we're keeping this section. @Sergecross73: May I ask why you're wanting to keep it? I still agree with it's removal but since no clear reason has been shown I'll wait to remove it. I'm simply wanting to see why it should be kept. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

It's an article for a commercial product that is coming up on 5 years old, in an industry where products often have 4-8 year lifespans. It make complete sense to discuss some reliably sourced commentary about its possible future. Sergecross73 msg me 22:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright... it just really bothers me that it's info that most likely isn't even true since the sources are saying one thing but Nintendo is denying it and saying it's not true (which, while it doesn't automatically mean it's not true since Nintendo will downplay rumors because investors will dip and wait for the new product if they say it's true, means it's simply a rumor). I would say a reasonable compromise would be to keep the info/rumors that lead up to the release of the OLED model since it makes sense to talk about what people were expecting from the OLED model before it released and possibly rename the section. But that doesn't have to be done if you feel so strongly about keeping it. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Nintendo famously denies things that ultimately turn out true. Either way, Wikipedia is constructed on what sources are saying. A source we deem reliable is trusted to have done due diligence and determined that the information they have is worth publishing and not an utter falsehood, insider information from sources they trust, etc. Everything in this section is backed by strong reliable sources that are used project wide, some of them general sources and some of them video game specific. -- ferret (talk) 22:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright then. Since you're saying that it's fine to keep it then there's nothing I can do about it. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2022

Change "and a white dock with white Joy-Con." in the OLED model section, to "and a white dock with white Joy-Cons." Ohlordhebacc (talk) 20:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done The plural of "Joy-Con" is "Joy-Con" --Masem (t) 20:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I have to wonder what source we have that says the plural of Joy-Con is still Joy-Con. If it's official then that's fine. I myself say Joy-Cons which to me makes more sense. Again, if we get this from the official Nintendo website then that's fine. Just wondering where we got the plural form being unchanged from. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

That was talked about at the point of the Switch announcement eg [4]. Looking at Nintendo's site now, when they use it in sentences it nearly always seems to be "Joy-Con controllers", but titles of products are just "Joy-Con" even when two are available. --Masem (t) 20:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright sounds good. Maybe using "Joy-Con controllers" would be a better option for the plural? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Nintendo Switch Units Sold Update

Change Nintendo Switch units shipped to 102.81 million units. Source: https://www.vgchartz.com/article/452337/nintendo-switch-outsells-ps1-worldwide/ Edit: I've included some more sources here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voFz1Qk1BGk https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2022/01/25/nintendo-switch-passes-ps1-in-worldwide-sales/ Gametendough (talk) 19:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. That is not a reliable source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

vgchartz has been deemed an unreliable source. See WP:VGRS. Youtube also cannot be used since it's WP:UGC. Not sure about "thathashtagshow" though. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I"ve unmarked it as answered since they updated their request. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

That's also not an RS. It's a blog with no editorial policy, and they're quoting vgchartz. The Nintendo Switch has passed up the PlayStation 1 in worldwide sales according to VGChartz.com. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Ring Fit Adventure

The Ring Fit Adventure sales number at 12.53 million is incorrect, it is supposed to be 13.53 million. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html BB1802 (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Could someone check this? Not that I'm doubting the user. I'm just unable to access the website right now because I'm on a school laptop (and the school considers that a game site) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

It's confirmed (at 13.53) --Masem (t) 02:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Masem for confirming that they are correct. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2022

Nintendo Switch OLED price in europe is mostly 349.99€. 95.102.48.121 (talk) 14:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it be? Nintendo tends to price their consoles similarly in numbers in other regions (the price is $349.99 in the US so they just change the $ to a Euro symbol and bam there's the European price). ― Wolf Blaze^Awoo_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Delete "Rumored high-end model" sub-subsection

Why is this sub-subsection a thing? Wikipedia is based on proven information not rumors, the name of this sub-subsection is "Rumored high-end model" which literally includes the word "rumored" in it. Wikipedia is not for rumors. 2600:1700:8820:2A10:7998:9CB4:9643:55 (talk) 02:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Speculation is fine as long as it's based off of what reliable sources say. Sergecross73 msg me 02:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Maybe speculation would be fine... if Nintendo didn't outright deny that they were not working on a higher-end model, it does not matter if Nintendo has a track record for denying rumors because they are stilled denied and Nintendo is the most official source for their own products. 2600:1700:8820:2A10:48FA:D631:6BB:E374 (talk) 23:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

We had this same exact conversation before in the past. See Talk:Nintendo Switch/Archive 3#Recommend deleting rumored high end model. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

It's all about context. You'd have a point if it were being portrayed as fact. But it's very clearly given context that is speculation or rumors as reported by reliable sources. We're not contradicting Nintendo, we're just reporting what other sources are saying too. Sergecross73 msg me 01:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, there's a WP:UNDUE factor here - this isn't like a rumor from Nintendo Life that we're propagating here. This is off Bloomberg and a few major tech sources that the main video game reporting sites are following through on. It would be inappropriate to outright ignore it, but as Segrecross says, we need to absolutely frame it as rumors and claims. --Masem (t) 03:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Add OLED Docks Lan Port speed information

I'm really surprised not to see it on this page, but I've checked the link speed connection of my Nintendo Switch OLED docks built in Lan by going to the settings page for my Asus RT-AX88U, under System Status, in the Ethernet Ports section, it's clearly showing a 1 Gbps link speed connection.

I've been absolutely dumbfounded by how I've had so much difficulty finding this basic information anywhere. Heck, I only learned the Lan ports supported link speed due to my routers information page! 2601:243:CD00:F14:189C:92F9:ACE4:E7B6 (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

We need a reliable source to verify this before adding it to the page. And even then, I'm not sure if such obscure tech data really has a place in the article anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 17:09, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

There is a new Nintendo Switch OLED model!

The Splatoon 3 Nintendo Switch OLED model was announced the 6th of July, and launched the 26th of august. This version includes game-inspired designs, in the console, controllers, and in the base.

MegaValenX (talk) 11:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Can I add my pages info to this?

(Ping to reply) Wikikoolr (talk) 07:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2022

There is an empty Errors heading, which probably should be removed Frr00ssst (talk) 07:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

 Already done https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nintendo_Switch&type=revision&diff=1114790191&oldid=1114785164000000000000000000000000000000000 Cannolis (talk) 08:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

"New Nintendo Switch" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect New Nintendo Switch and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 13#New Nintendo Switch until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Excessive model listing

There's a pretty extensive list that keeps growing. Do we want to do some sort of trimming or set up inclusion criteria on what to include or something? I really don't think we need to list every time there's a regular ol' switch that's just tinted yellow for Pikachu or whatever. Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Unless the bundle adds something new, I think we can reduce that down to something like "The Switch has been released in special versions as tie-ins with other games, featuring unique colors and markings on the console, dock, and Joy-Con. Such bundles have included: <list>." Masem (t) 14:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2022

Nintendo Switch is listed incorrectly as being part of the eighth generation of consoles. It is the first of the ninth generation of consoles. Please correct this error. 2600:8800:3:4E00:1DDA:17A5:9072:8C19 (talk) 00:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

•  Not done many talk page discussions to explain why switch is 8th and not 9th. --Masem (t) 00:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2023

Its 9th gen and competes with ps5 and the xbox x and xbox s its not a 8th gen since nintendo already had a 8th gen wii u 71.241.133.136 (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: In opposition of established consensus and sourcing. -- ferret (talk) 02:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

switch lite screen size should be added to info bar.

someone please add size and Pixels Per Inch for screen. thanks! MarioFan324234 (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Request to merge Nintendo Switch Lite page into Nintendo Switch page

I believe the Switch Lite should be merged into the Nintendo Switch page. While yes, it is a different design, it is the same games, OS, network, family and specifications. Xbox One X isn't a seperate page to Xbox One, even though it is 4K with an extra 4 GB of RAM and different APU. Ang5565 (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I would tend to agree. What little differences there are are mostly established on the main Switch page already. Masem (t) 01:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Would you want me to expand the Nintendo Switch Lite section in the main Nintendo Switch article and remove the seperate Switch Lite article? Ang5565 (talk) 01:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

You probably should do a formal merge request to get more input. Masem (t) 02:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't object, but you may want to wait a bit before doing it. I've received a lot of pushback when I've wanted to merge redundant Nintendo DS/Nintendo 3DS models in the past. Seems like many ended in merge eventually, but seems like it took some discussion to get a consensus first. Sergecross73 msg me 02:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

This is going to make me seem really stupid but how do I request a formal merge request? Cheers. Ang5565 (talk) 00:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Although it is smaller, has no detachable Joy-cons, and is portable, I feel it would be more natural to merge the Switch Lite into the normal switch page. The Switch OLED is in here, why not the Switch Lite? Wikibrowser30 (talk) 12:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

the Switch's other predecessor should be the 3DS as well

The switches predecessor is the Wii U, but it's another predecessor should be the 3DS since the 3DS had six years to compete before the Switch was released and the Switch is a hybrid console so it should make sense Justthat1guyinwiki (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Thats original research. We know design elements of the Wii U were included with the switch, so that is fair to call it a predecessor,but just because the 3DS was before the switch doesn't mean Nintendo built off the 3ds for the Switch. Masem (t) 22:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

but i could still use reliable sources to prove my point, right? Justthat1guyinwiki (talk) 19:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

If a reliable source claimed that, then yes, but we will evaluate the source's reliability. Masem (t) 19:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Ideally multiple/many, to show it's a commonly held sentiment. Not just one passing mention from some sort of "TheGamer" type blog. Sergecross73 msg me 19:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Later revisions

Currently the article states "No other system component was updated in this revision" when talking about the HAC-001(-01) revision.

However, according to this page, Digital Foundry states "...the new Switch doesn't just swap out the old Tegra X1, it also replaces the memory too with 4GB of LPDDR4X in place, offering further power efficiency improvements over the existing model." The LPDDR4 and LPDDR4X run at the same speed, but the latter uses lower voltages.

I haven't tracked down any other sources, but would this mean both the SoC and the RAM were changed? If so, would this be the place to indicate that? MidSpeck (talk) 00:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch has been around since March 3rd, 2017 in Southeast Asia

While the article is stating Switch release dates for regional variants of the console across 2018 and 2019, the Nintendo Switch has actually been around since March 3rd, 2017 along with everyone else. Nintendo's official Southeast Asian distributor Maxsoft (and whose parent company is Active Boeki Co. Ltd., which has been distributing Nintendo consoles to the Middle East and Southeast Asia since the NES-era) brought over the console, and they were also taking pre-orders from many SEA consumers through Maxsoft-approved stores.

Maxsoft was even mandating the purchase of 1-2 Switch and BoTW with the system. Farey0633 (talk) 07:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2023

The page claims that Nintendo Switch would be a Ninth generation console. This is false and there are many sites confirming that Switch is only an Eight generation console Artekfin (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done This is currently being discussed and debated. For something like this, you can't do an edit request, you'd need to join in on the discussion. Sergecross73 msg me 13:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The article explains clearly the Switch came in the eighth and crossed over into the ninth. It would be wrong if we solely claimed to be a ninth gen, but that's not what we're presenting at this point. Masem (t) 14:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

There are a lot of consoles (mainly from the earliest generations) that have crossed over generations, yet not being in both generations. I personally think that Switch should not be classified as both becose that's certainly not the case. I understand the fact that it is competing against ps5 and xbox x, but that alone doesn't make it a 9th gen console. Also if this is the case and unable to be changed, then why is it that Wii U for example isn't 7th and 8ht generation console (if we are not including the facts and the processors, when its clearly not the case with switch) becose of the competition for ps3 and ps4 at Wii U's lifetime? Artekfin (talk) 16:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The best thing would be for you to start by reading #Regarding Nintendo Switch's competition which covers your questions. -- ferret (talk) 17:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I have already readed all there is to this conversation. Sadly I didn't find any real answers to my questions. If the case is actually that Switch needs to be considered here as both generation, that is no longer my consern. I understand more languages than just english and it seems that in other articles the facts are right like for example Swedish or French. It would be easier and a lot more simplier to just have it in eight generation like in other languages, but if the case is this here then I can do nothing about it. Personally I still highly recommend considering this again, but that is a conversation for another time. Artekfin (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

There's a great sentence in Ninth generation of video game consoles#Nintendo Switch that says The Switch has generally been technologically considered a member of the eighth generation, due to lower processing power. It remains competitive, however, hosting multiplatform games alongside PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S. I think that sums it up pretty nicely. It's not our place to determine which it is, but rather we should just go with what WP:Reliable_sources say. What they say is that the Switch was part of the 8th gen, but now competes with 9th. Darkage7_[Talk] 21:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Each project is edited independently of each other. The Swedish and French projects simply have not considered the question yet or made any changes. That does not make them more correct, as each project has various differing guidelines. The fact they have not made a change and still have the same thing we had a week ago is not a barrier for English Wikipedia to change. -- ferret (talk) 21:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Why are you so butthurt that the Switch be classified as a 9th generation console? Could it be because it's currently mogging your precious Sony device? 130.105.51.101 (talk) 11:43, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Please don't waste everyone's time with unconstructive nonsense. That's not anyone's argument, so there's no reason for you to introduce it baselessly. Save that crap for Gamefaqs or Twitter. Sergecross73 msg me 12:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit explanation

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nintendo_Switch&oldid=prev&diff=1169322745

Sergecross73 I thought I'd explain my edit here and ask that you please let it be restored.

Firstly, the "sales" section is primarily about units shipped, not units sold. Therefore, it is misleading and the title does not embody what the section is primarily about. Units shipped and units sold are commonly confused metrics we should do our best to distinguish. As such, that is why I renamed that subheading. Alternatively, we could just call the section "units shipped". The section covers far more about shipped units than sold ones. The second subheading change was also in line with this reasoning. I gave the "games sold" its own subheading because it’s about units sold rather than shipped, again clarifying this distinction. Also, its specifically about games and not units of the Nintendo Switch console, so didn't entirely fit in the prior subheading and better suits one of its own. Helper201 (talk) 22:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it's better to just keep the section as "sales" and then make sure the prose itself is accurately labeled as shipped or sold in each given statement. I'm aware of what you're describing, but even then, "units shipped" are still representing sales made to retail stores themselves. Sergecross73 msg me 23:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, section headers should be generally concise to help the reader better in the TOC listing. Masem (t) 00:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding high-end successor Gamescom rumor

The wiki said, "Nintendo showcased this new console at Gamescom 2023" and link to Eurogamer but the article never said that, they only said the developers was showed tech demos, it was two different things, no mention of the actual hardware has ever been showed to the dev. Stephennotstrange (talk) 16:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

How do you propose rewording it? Sergecross73 msg me 16:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I can't edit the wiki itself but maybe just follow the article? "Nintendo showcased the tech demos of this new console" Stephennotstrange (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I reworded this to say "demonstration of technologies of the new console", as to not imply the new console itself was shown, but parts of it (based on the next sentence).

However, I think that to demonstrate tech demos without showing a near-final design of the console seems very unlikely. Masem (t) 02:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. I agree with the tweaking, but seriously, how would they meaningfully show off a product that supposedly can function as a handheld without a piece of hardware there? It would cease to be a demonstration anymore if they were simply like "See these computer generated graphics? Now,imagine them on a handheld form factor". Sergecross73 msg me 16:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

they can and people do it all the time, because sometime they didn't want to reveal the final design of the hardware ahead of the time, think of the dev kits, it essentially nearly the same as the consumer console but the look is different.

And don't count out Nintendo only showing the video of the tech demo through streaming without the need to show the console itself, the console is not that important to the dev unless there is a dramatically change in the design that they need to know. Stephennotstrange (talk) 17:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I do think that the reliable VG outlets that would have been shown this "tech" would not have been satisfied with just video playback, since one could claim everything under the sun. I would reasonably believe they had a non-final design of the unit, but incorporating the key computation components, so that these sources could see an actual Nintendo game running on the new specs. But, it is true that the actual sources here don't say exactly what was shown beyond "tech" for the new system so it is better to fly with that. Masem (t) 18:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, again. Sergecross73 msg me 18:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

CPU Specs

Should the 4 A53 cores on the Tegra X1 be mentioned if they're deactivated and not present on the later X1+ models? MrSwedishMeatballs (talk) 21:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there a source about them being removed entirely on later models? -- ferret (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo 3DS

I think it's better best we also make the Nintendo 3DS the other predecessor to the Switch since on the 3DS page it says the switch is the successor to the handheld ThisGuyBroooo (talk) 14:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

While I personally agree that the Nintendo 3DS is a predecessor to the Switch, it seems to be a very hotly contested thing around here, so you would want to find a high quality reliable source to back up such a claim. Darkage7_[Talk] 16:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo switch screen size

The screen size of the Nintendo Switch lite is 5.5 inch 1280x720 LCD and 267 ppi. The specs chart of the article says that the switch and switch lite have the same size, but that is incorrect. 186.29.33.90 (talk) 17:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Be bold and change it then QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 17:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed it. — Masem (t) 17:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Nintendo Switch's competition

I don't think Nintendo Switch would compete with 9th generation consoles Xbox Series X/S and Playstation 5, since it is 8th generation. Is there reliable source of it competing with those next-gen consoles? 95.215.116.145 (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The simplest of Google searches suggest they do to some capacity. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The Switch is already competing with the competitors' 9th gen systems. NPD is already classifying it as a competition to the PS5 and XBX|S. 61.9.108.144 (talk) 02:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

We have a new source that puts the Switch decidedly outside the 9th gen, that being the FTC. [5] --Masem (t) 02:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

That's not how I read it, the article doesn't say Switch isn't competition. Perhaps it is implying it, but that's WP:OR. The article says, "even if the Switch were included in the market, the likely anticompetitive effects of the Proposed Acquisition are the same as in the high-performance console market." They compete, just on different things. PS5 is a high-performance competitor, but is certainly not the only competition. A parent buying a console for their kid at walmart just sees a red, green, and blue aisle. They don't care what generation number the hardware fits under.Darkage7_[Talk] 05:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You're really gonna die on this hill even now, huh? C'mon man, this is just a repeat of the "trying to classify Gen8 as Gen2010" thing. VinLAURiA (talk) 02:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the Switch is the first console of the 9th generation. Putting the Switch and Wii U/3ds in the same generation doesnt seem right WOWLWOWL 16:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Just because the Wii U failed and Switch was rushed out doesn't make Switch the start of a new generation of gaming. The Super A'can also wasn't fifth generation, even though it was released in 1995. Switch has stayed competitive with 9th generation hardware, but it is not a 9th generation offering. TheEmperorAnt (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The Xbox Series S/X and PlayStation 5 are clearly not competing with the Nintendo Switch; outselling the previously mentioned consoles combined. Perhaps the Switch should be considered 9th Generation all on its own and the Xbox Series S/X and PlayStation 5 should be considered 10th Generation.

The idea that the Nintendo Switch should be grouped into the same generation as the Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita and is laughable. Idrawrobots (talk) 18:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen any source suggest your "PS5 is 10th gen" comment. We can't just make stuff up like that. Zero percent chance of adopting that one. Sergecross73 msg me 19:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

What's laughable is coming into this discussion and suggesting inventing a wholly new generation completely unsupported by any sources... -- ferret (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

To expand further on this, I'm still of the stance that Switch has been misclassified on Wikipedia this entire time due to a premature consensus from over five years ago before the generation had started proper, which seemed to come entirely down to "well, no news sources are using the term 'Gen9' at this time". There was a debate from over a decade ago where some editors were trying to classify Gen8 as 'Gen2010' because of similar "well, no news sources are are using the term 'Gen8' at this time" reasoning, yet the 'Gen8' moniker still won out for obvious reasons.

The only other arguments I've seen in support of the Switch being considered Gen8 are that it's weaker than even the Gen8 systems Xbone and PS4, and that its release was multiple years before the releases of the PS5 and X|S. But considering its hardware, the Switch as a hybrid device would more appropriately be classified as a Gen9 handheld rather than a Gen8 home console under the old "home console or handheld" dichotomy. It's more comparable to the PSP and Vita: handhelds with TV-out capabilities/SKUs and whose libraries somewhat overlapped with the home consoles of the generations prior, which they were still sightly weaker than - in Vita's case, it shared a lot of games with the PS3 and 360 of Gen7 but was still considered Gen8, even if it came out over a year before the Xbone, PS4, and Wii U.

Switch is a similar concept: its dock doesn't even have any additional compute hardware in it, merely an HDMI output and a constant AC connection so that the Switch itself can maintain the greater clockspeed necessary to drive the higher resolutions of external displays, but the actual system is entirely self-contained within the tablet component, making it a handheld. The only difference between it and other such handhelds (PSP/Vita, or things like the Neo Geo X) is that the inputs on the sides are now detachable and able to act as wireless controllers. And considering the existence of the Vita TV (which even primarily used a Gen7 controller as its form of input despite being Gen8), even the "handheld system uses wireless controllers" aspect isn't new, even if the Vita TV model didn't have a handheld mode (parallel to the Switch Lite not having a TV mode).

To circle back to release timeframes, the Dreamcast came out three years before the GameCube and original Xbox (1998 vs. 2001) and was vastly weaker, yet Dreamcast was still considered Gen6 like those, even though there was a time where it directly competed with Gen5's N64 and PS1 in lieu of its failed predecessor, the Saturn. This precisely mirrors the situation of the Wii U and Switch versus their respective competition, and as of 2023, Switch has now been competing against the PS5 and X|S (with an identical release gap of 2017 vs. 2020) for as long as it has against the PS4 and Xbone (a larger gap of 2013 vs. 2017). To still say at this point that it is merely a carryover from Gen8 which competes with Gen9 consoles is disingenuous, particularly when it directly succeeds two Gen8 systems in the Wii U and 3DS. Yes, in the early generations, there were systems which shared a generation classification with their "successors" - the SG-1000 and Master System was the counter-example I've heard in the past, and I should point out those were merely iterative models of the same platform, such as the progression from 3DS/Xbone/PS4 to New 3DS/Xbone X/PS4 Pro - but that is not the paradigm in this case. Switch isn't a "Wii U Pro". It was clearly meant to be a generational successor to Nintendo's Gen8 systems.

The whole case regarding the Xbox+ABK merger makes me want Wikipedia to reexamine that past consensus, particularly since we still don't know when the Switch's successor is set to release (clearly not 2023, which automatically puts Switch closer to the PS5 and X|S), and whether that would be considered the first Gen10 system once it does; especially with talks of Microsoft and Sony already looking to the next generation themselves, such as Sony threatening MS not to expect PS6 devkits for CoD if the merger goes through. The FTC lawyer argues Switch is "outside Gen9" and yet the judge fires back that it might be "better than Gen9", so where does that leave us? Is this all just dismissible as "original research" simply because sites like GameSpot and IGN followed Wikipedia's lead when it first started labelling Switch as 'Gen8', thus making that claim "verifiable by outside sources"? If there's any time to finally rectify this years-long error, it's now. VinLAURiA (talk) 02:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is original research to say anything that is counter to what RSes say, no matter how much you want to argue it is a 9th generation. Remember that generations have to do with competition, not with technology. Masem (t) 02:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Absurd. Those 'reliable sources' took Wikipedia's lead to begin with. Labelling it as Gen8 in the first place back then was original research, even if it was achieved by editor consensus at the time. That's just using how outside sources have parroted that decision to justify keeping it this way. VinLAURiA (talk) 02:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

We did not label it 8th gen until there were more than enough sources that also labelled it that way. We had learned our lesson from earlier systems as to not jump that gun. Masem (t) 03:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Not a single source was mentioned in that old discussion. The decision was made entirely through consensus and vague "well I've seen" anecdotes. The gun was still jumped.

ADDENDUM: In fact, you yourself said even after that consensus had been reached that the issue had to be decided through consensus rather than with sources due to the lack of such sources, and had even earlier argued that Switch being labelled as Gen8 would therefore push Wii U to Gen7, which obviously haven't happened. While a list of "reliable sources" was compiled by another user, the definition they had used entirely relied on the terminology 'current' rather than 'Gen8', particularly regarding NPD sales. Switch, PS5, and X|S are all the 'current' ones now, something which is easily verifiable by similar sources today. I posit that those old discussions and consensus reached from such were all flawed on account of being premature. Switch was already only labelled Gen8 due to original research and precisely because of the lack of sources. It is no less valid and in fact far more supportable to move its classification to Gen9. VinLAURiA (talk) 03:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

If you'd like to develop a detailed proposal, write up an WP:RFC, and garner a consensus to change, you're welcome to it. It's easy to idly complain, but infinitely harder to get the community to agree on such a broad and far reaching change such as this. The saying "easier said than done" comes to mind. Sergecross73 msg me 03:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll look into it. That said, I'm not complaining idly, I'm trying to dispute this and refer to the appropriate articles to support my case. I just fear that - as you said - because it has been classified this way for so long, sheer inertia and resistance to change from how embedded that conclusion has become (a conclusion that I assert ought to have never been made at the time in the first place) would not provide a fair chance to the proposal should I make one, and that developing a proposal which may ultimately fail would only make it even harder to rectify in the future due to its failure then being able to be used as a further exhibit to the contrary. "Easier said than done" indeed.

EDIT: Also, reading the RfC page, is this issue even at the point where an RfC is required yet? Accoding to WP:RFCBEFORE it seems to be intended as something to use only when other forms of dispute resolution have failed. VinLAURiA (talk) 03:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Please look into it rather than just going ahead and making changes that have clearly voiced opposition against them, as you have today. It doesn't have to be an RFC technically, but I can't imagine getting enough input on a contentious subject like this without one logistically speaking. Sergecross73 msg me 22:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm open to the discussion continuing, so long as it actually continues. I just didn't want my concerns - which I made quite an effort in putting together - dismissed as "idle complaints" and then no further development or input made on this issue until my changes today, seemingly in the hopes that I'd just give up and go away. But as for the RfC specifically, I don't feel comfortable making one personally; I'd much rather a more experienced user does so, because I feel they would be less likely to screw it up. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to continue it then, but no one is going to advance your argument for you either, nor are you likely to get anywhere just talking circles to Masem and I. Sergecross73 msg me 23:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

One other thing. As reported via a reliable source (IGN) today, a judge officially and explicitly considers Nintendo Switch to be a direct competitor with X|S and PS5. This is the clearest evidence yet that Switch is officially a Gen9 system, whereas all prior findings that have influenced Wikipedia's decision to consider Switch as Gen8 was based entirely on the lack of mention of any successor systems at the time of the initial decisions, as mentioned in the archived discussions I've linked above. Indeed, this also directly overrules the FTC's assertion that the Switch is "outside Gen9" as was mentioned by an opposing voice above, barring any sort of appeal to the case. VinLAURiA (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

From that article "Even still, the ruling concedes that “the FTC has met its preliminary injunction burden to show the Switch is not included in the relevant market” – but makes a point to say that if the court was the final decisionmaker on that point, it would find Nintendo to be part of the relevant market." In other words right now it is not considered to compete with the other 9th generation by the FTC while the judge does. That doesn't give anywhere enough to shift the Switch to the 8th, only that it remains as a carryover into the 9th but still is an 8th gen. Masem (t) 22:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

And again, what was the decision to consider Switch a Gen8 system in the first place? No source ever explicitly listed it as such, despite what your revert reason says. There were no "all other sources" to outweigh because no other sources ever stated as such to begin with. All sources cited in Wikipedia's initial consensus five years ago merely listed the system as "current", not specifically "eighth". VinLAURiA (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

5 years ago there was no Xbox series x or ps5. "Current" clearly meant the as Xbox one and ps4. Masem (t) 22:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

That's original research; you're extrapolating "eighth" simply because there were Gen8 systems that were also considered "current" at the time. But there was a time the Wii U, 360, and PS3 were all "current" because there was no Xbone or PS4 yet. Wii U is not considered Gen7, is it? VinLAURiA (talk) 22:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Are you really suggesting that, upon the Switch's announcement and release across 2016/2017, there weren't any sources writing articles discussing how the Switch would fare again the only consoles on the market? I'm happy to dig for sources if you truly believe that, but it feels a bit far-fetched to believe personally... Sergecross73 msg me 22:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, of course there were, but there were similarly articles discussing how Wii U would fare against the 360 and PS3, particularly those doomsaying how "Wii U isn't even as powerful as these systems" and likewise you'll still find some trying to argue how Wii U was in fact a late-Gen7 machine.

My point is and remains that Wikipedia's decision to classify Switch as Gen8 was entirely premature when even Masem himself conceded at the time that the consensus to classify it as such was made entirely in the absence of any evidence either way. I'll even directly quote it:

"Whether the Switch is 8th or 9th is an issue we have to decide by consensus because we don't have a strong body of RSes that suggest either route. On the other hand, we do have a huge body of references that prove why the sky is blue or why dinos don't exist any more, so consensus cannot override those."

And bear in mind, this statement was made even after that consensus was made (2018-06-12 for said statement versus 2018-04-08 at the latest for the initial consensus). But in the years since, the memory of this appears to have to have been distorted into "we definitely had sources explicitly stating it to be eighth" when that clearly was not the case. The decision was only ever been made by consensus, not by proof of sources. I assert said consensus was mistaken, particularly in light of these past few years' developments. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I am looking at our te t and I think we go out of the way to say it is considered eighth but also competes in ninth, which is about as neutral a statement we can make. We can't deny it was grouped with eighth gen, while we also recognized it carries over (this is why Switch is also listed on the ninth gen page). Until we have a firm agreement across sources this solution works.. it simply doesn't cleanly fall into solely one generation. Masem (t) 22:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I would say listing it solely as "eighth" among templates and categories, explicitly referring to it as an "eighth-generation console" in the text, and placing it as "eighth" in the infobox is not a neutral stance. It clearly leans towards the Switch being considered a Gen8 system rather than Gen9. If the system doesn't cleanly fall into one generation, then the current situation on the wiki does a poor job of reflecting this. No, this solution doesn't work. Even if we were to work under the assumption that the system's generation can't be easily defined, then the current solution erroneously takes a clear stance on the matter which it shouldn't be taking. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Positioning the Switch as both 8th and 8th is a far better position than what you were trying are argue as the unit being solely 9th gen. Masem (t) 23:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

But it's not currently being positioned as eighth and ninth, it's being positioned solely as eighth with a token mention of "also competes with ninth-gen systems" at one spot in the text. If it's being positioned as both, then why is it absent from the ninth-gen template or any Gen9-related categories? VinLAURiA (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Well for one thing I just updated this page to reflect the split. Masem (t) 23:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

That at least is something I can work with. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I want be clear on this; all we can say is that it overlaps 8th and 9th. We can't go into all the comparisons you wanted to add, because there's nothing in sources that talk to the mid-8th gen updates relative to the Switch in isolation of the original 8th gen machines.

Also, repeatedly, there was no influence of the 3DS on the Switch (from Nintend's own statements), so it cannot be considered a predecessor.

And to add one more detail, this does not mean the 9th gen suddenly started with the Switch. We have more than enough sources that say that Nov 2021, when the Xbox Series X/S and PS5 were released, was the start of the ninth gen. We're not retconning those sources to stick the Switch before it, only that by the nature of its release, it overlaps with the ninth. Masem (t) 00:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Switch be considered a successor to both Wii U and 3DS if we're intending to merge the Switch Lite into the main article? Because the Switch Lite is considered the successor to the 3DS and they're ultimately the same product. VinLAURiA (talk) 00:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

No, the Switch Lite is not a 3DS successor neither. We have clear documentation from Nintento that the Switch followed ideas from the Wii U (even failed ones), but that the 3DS wasn't considered in this. It is not the idea "oh, its the next handheld (even if hybrid) from Nintendo thus it is its successor". Masem (t) 01:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Well that's what it had been listed as on the Switch Lite article prior to my edit, so that's what I was going off of. You'll likewise have to remove the "successor" reference from all the 3DS model pages, then. VinLAURiA (talk) 01:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct, it should be removed everywhere. People tinker with it all the time and it's hard to keep up, but sources back up what Masem said. Sergecross73 msg me 01:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Let's be real here, the only reason why these sources say 9th gen started with XBX|S and PS5 is purely due to bias for those two systems, and only taking into account power. It's not different to that stupid "Next-gen doesn't start until we say so" said ba Kaz Hirai. 130.105.51.101 (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

How about updating the Ninth Generation article to also include the Switch in the table, then? 130.105.183.141 (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Questions about the 9th gen article should be proposed at the 9th gen article's talk page, not in the middle of this 8 month old conversation. Sergecross73 msg me 15:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this. The Switch clearly has its feet in both 8th and 9th gen camps. Technologically it's more competitive with 8th, but by sales numbers it's probably up there with 9th. It seems like we're the ones who are trying to shoehorn it into one or the other, when clearly it's an important part of both, and I think all sources converge on that. Nintendo has gone out of their way with their Blue Ocean Strategy to not clearly fit into one mold or the other. Darkage7_[Talk] 23:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

As a whole the generations tend to never be unifying in there definitions see Wikipedia's Home Video game console generations page. With that most sources [6] [7][8][9] include it apart of the 8th generation. While the only one that I found to include it in 9th was [10] A article that was written around the time of release of the 9th gen consoles and used the classification as 9th gen as a joke. Over all both in the past and know we have used time to classify consoles more than specs or competition. It is also notable that This is the only place on Wikipedia that includes. the switch as a 9th gen system. What would make the most sense is to have a paragraph about the switches contentious nature as a 8th or 9th gen system with links pointing out side of Wikipedia. GonzoBlue (talk) 14:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The only sources that have really questioned the debate of whether the Switch is 8th or 9th gen are user forums and blogs, no reliable sources. This is a pedantic issue to some gamers, but not to the world at large, in contrast to how we have multiple RSes that discuss all previous generations as well as how the PS5 and XSXS are in the 9th gen.

Now, given that there are rumors of a new model in the works for next year, we may actually get sources to discuss where the Switch fits into the generations, from which we can expand from there. But we don't know the details yet to even plan for that. Masem (t) 00:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2024

Nintendo Switch has surpassed 70 million units sold. 2601:8C0:789:E530:23A2:C72E:5FC7:24 (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RudolfRed (talk) 23:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)