Talk:Nonito Donaire

Manilla

I did add the links and the news of his manila homecomming.--122.2.94.133 07:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• I forgot to log in as florentino floro when I edited this article, hence the anonymous user id; now I logged in and added a new latest hour news on the quest for revenge on the higher weight by the looser with link.

Hoping that my mistake would be understood by you.--Florentino floro 07:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Rankings, Ratings

I added the latest bible of boxing's rating of condes donaire and pacquiao.--Florentino floro 05:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Proper Pronounciation of Last Name

In his native Philippines, Donaire's last name is pronounced properly by his countrymen which is of 3 syllables. But when he made a name as a boxer in America, those there then to mispronounce it in a way which is of 2 syllables. 210.4.122.94 (talk) 22:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

IMO both are correct. In the Philippines his last name is pronounced do-nai-re, but in American English his last name is pronounced do-nair. He lived in America since age 10 and people have been pronouncing his name that way for more years than he stayed in RP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.90.102 (talk) 04:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

So in your opinion if an American named Twain started to live in the Philippines, and people call him TWA-IN, that would make it correct? How it's pronounced is up to the person and his family, not the people around him, no matter how much they'd want to impose their opinions on things, like what you're doing. It's Do-nai-re. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.52.95 (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

8th round not 7th round knockout

I had to correct the edit of 7th round knockout since the Mexican was down on the 8th and I had to add the proper link or reference.

--Florentino floro 05:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace

According to the external link to BoxRec, the birthplace of Nonito Donaire is said Talibon, Bohol not General Santos City. Which would be correct? FoxLad (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Nationality

The nationality is this article is repeatedly being changed by User:Jakeroland with no consensus, the reverting by several editors show that the consensus is to list Doniare as Filipino not Filipino-American. I have repeatedly reminded Jakeroland that he needs to add a citation to prove his claim but he seems unable (or unwilling to do so). Maybe we can reach a consensus here so to avoid this consistent changing of nationality. Zarcadia (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The Nationality section in the InfoBox for boxer's pages shows which country did the boxers came from. My concern in this article is to clarify the Nationality section in the InfoBox of Nonito Donaire page or what country did he really represents. Donaire is a Filipino-American. Why? Because he was born in Talibon, Bohol Province of the PHILIPPINES. He is a natural-born Filipino citizen (by birth and by origin - his Father is a Filipino and a member of the Philippine Army). He is only a dual-citizen of the USA. Therefore, his PRIMARY Nationality is FILIPINO. In BoxRec.com, he was registered as a FILIPINO boxer and the country that he represents is the PHILIPPINES. He was aliased as The FILIPINO Flash, he sings the PHILIPPINE National Anthem before his fight and he and his team carries the PHILIPPINE Flag. In the RingTV, it only shows the residency of a boxer where Donaire is residing at San Leandro, California, USA. Like the Puerto Rican boxer Kermit Cintron, it only shows in the RingTV that he resides at Texas, USA but he is a Puerto Rican by Nationality. User:Jakeroland has refused to cooperate with other Wikipedia users and has attempted to force his version of the page onto Wikipedia by using edit warring instead of ratioIndented linenal discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doughn (talk • contribs) 12:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Doughn, I agree. I have attempted to be civil with Jakeroland despite him calling me a 'retard' and help him understand WP policy but he refuses to engage in any discussion, namely this one here and one I have started on his talk page. If he continues it's probably best to report him at the edit warring noticeboard. Zarcadia (talk) 13:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Jakeroland left this message on my talk page, which should have been left here:

No. You're wrong on all accounts. This can not be tolerated. I will now provide THREE credible addresses showing he is Filipino American...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5886281

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_sportspeople_of_Filipino_descent

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings

The 1st is from the largest Sports TV channel/site in the world. The 2nd is from Wikipedia which was created in APRIL, 2010. The 3rd is from the foremost authority in Boxing, The Ring.

You will see in the last one that he is ONLY listed as being from The USA.

Now...since you seem care so much about this issue and are trying to come across as a major editor and representative of The Wiki Community, do the RIGHT thing and show BOTH Nationalities like I have done in the past...

Jakeroland (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

For some reason he has included a WP page as a source, don't think he quite understands how it works here Zarcadia (talk) 10:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help again, Zarcadia. I'm glad we got past our spat and came together to list the appropriate info. As you can see, the only problem now is the User "Doughn" with his various IPs... he's a Filipino Nationalist and is refusing to accept Donaire is as American as he is Filipino.

Jakeroland (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The flag in this page should be changed to Philippine flag only not just for the fact that he was born in Bohol, Philppines but also because he has a Filipino blood. He only acquired permanent residency in the California, United States. The following references uses Philippine flag/Filipino for Nonito Donaire's Nationality:

• http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings
• http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=48243&cat=boxer

Doughn (talk • contribs) 10:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

He states on his own website that he is Filipino American, I have cited this in the intro. Doughn, you need to accept this. No-one is denying he was born in the Philippines, but he holds citizenship of two countries, Philippines and US. Zarcadia (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

On his very own website,eh?... good find, Zarcadia. That's all the evidence an objective person needs...

Jakeroland (talk) 13:33, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is the evidence an objective person needs. Zarcadia is right. BrendanFrye (talk) 20:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Protection status

At Zarcadia's suggestion, I am lifting protection of this page. Users who continue to edit war will receive blocks of increasing duration until the problem is solved. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 16:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Future edits

Let’s try to discuss here any issues rather than edit-war. This guy is a great boxer, let’s do him the justice of making a great Wikipedia page. Thanks.Zarcadia (talk) 17:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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Neutrality of Personal life section

Some of the wording/language in the Personal life section does not sounds as if it is written from a neutral point of view. In particular, I added a Template:POV-statement to the following sentence:

"Donaire wants to be with people who are there for him even if he has nothing and likes to please them above all"

First, there is no citation on that statement. Second, the wording of that statement seems to be coming from a biased, and non-neutral point of view.The S show (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I think Akira Kouchiyama filled out most of the personal life information. You should ask him if he has a reference for that. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

TheShadowCrow, thanks for your copyedit the other day!

It's from Tris Dixon's Boxing News report entitled Nonito Donaire: The Sadness Behind the Smile. See the paragraph beginning with "I enjoy boxing now".

". . . I love to make them laugh and smile. But I want to know who is there for me, regardless of if I have nothing. I know that all the people I am with are the people that are willing to give me . . . . So that is my way in life. … I'd rather stick to the people that are there for me, and I'm there for them," the source says.

But I (and perhaps many of his fans and non-fans alike) know that Nonito's parents hate this source for the other reasons. So, it's very difficult to write something about the early life of Nonito. I will remove that sentence, as it's not always necessary. I don't care as well, if someone remove my other descriptions. (I'd just been trying to make attempts to better the article.) --Akira Kouchiyama 04:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Whether or not there is a citation for these statements, the wording in this section suffers from a lack of impartial tone, and uses puffery and editorializing. Many parts of Personal life need to be re-worded and re-written. The S show (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)