Talk:Norias of Hama

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Missing noun[edit]

"and discharge it into an artificial at the summit " An artificial pool? tank? I'd fix this if I knew.--Wetman (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An artificial channel. Fixed. Thanks! Yazan (talk) 11:15, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waterwheels and Wheels of pots[edit]

I changed the use of waterwheel to describe a noria to wheel of pots. This is because a waterwheel is a power source that drives other machinery through gears. The norias at Hama and elsewhere are like a waterwheel but with each float having a pot. The flow of the current drives the noria in the same way as an undershot waterwheel is driven. The pots fill with water and then discharge the water when they reach the position at the top of the wheel. The waterwheel part of the noria itself does not power machinery in the way a conventional waterwheel would. Mjroots (talk) 08:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also talk:Noria. Mjroots (talk) 08:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to page 452 of Roman Empire by Nigel Rodgers, a Roman-era mill still turns at at Hama in Syria. I think this should be mentioned somewhere in the article. Csahlen (talk) 19:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mosaic found at Apamea dating to 469[edit]

A Google search for Apamea mosaic 469 Norias gives ambiguous answers for whether the Apamea mosaic is from 469 BCE or 469 CE. The more reliable appearing sources (Water Architecture in the Lands of Syria: The Water-wheels by Adriana De Miranda and Hama Archaeological Museum) give a CE date. Some of the sites that refer to BCE dates also say that the mosaic is Byzantine. The reference (in French) used in the article, whc.unesco.org does say J.C., which is BCE, but I believe it is wrong.

I have changed the article to CE and have deleted the French reference and replaced it with the first one above. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 02:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to expand this article[edit]

Carlwark (talk) 14:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)I would like to expand this article on the following lines, so please would interested people tell me of any reasons not to do so.[reply]

1) I’ve found two on-line scientific descriptions of the Hama norias and would use these to give more details on the dimensions, performance, construction and history of Hama’s norias – with a focus on the largest noria, the Al Mohammediya noria, once the largest waterwheel in the world.

2) If I can work out how to upload it, I’ll add some video which I filmed of the Al Mohammediya noria when I was in Hama for several days during the Spring Festival in 2000, when the Orontes was in full flow and I could watch the norias operating at their best, a spectacular sight.

3) I’d include a weblink to a French language report which gives a map of all the norias in Hama.

4) I’d remove the phrase “wheel of pots” in the first line of the current Wiki article because the Hama nourias don’t use pots on their rim to collect water (which I’ve seen at Cordoba in Spain), but collect it in compartments completely built into their rim.

5) If I can find it, I will add any firm information about the state of these norias at the present stage of the Syrian civil war.

@Carlwark: Assuming you have reliable sources to support the proposed content, please proceed! Looking forward to your contributions. —Al Ameer (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have now published the expansion of this article which I proposed here, 2/4/2021, but not yet added the video. Must now find out how to upload the latter, which I’m hearing can be complicated. Carlwark (talk) 17:10, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Carlwark: From the outset, your work looks excellent. Will review more in depth if I have time this week. If all is well, I would encourage you to nominate this for Good article status soon. As for the video, I have not uploaded one here before, but should not be much different than images or audio files. Here is the Commons upload link: [1]. Let me know if you run into difficulties. Cheers, --Al Ameer (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]