Talk:Nuevo tango

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I agree with the comment below. The article is poorly writen. confuses people and instead of describing tango nuevo, the writer spends time talking about the criticism towards tango nuevo. It contradicts itself, it states that tango nuevo is not a form of dance, but a form of analysis of the movement and form of instruction, and then it adds photos of specific tango nuevo figures, lists music groups as tango nuevo, that being incorrect as a music style and analysis of the movements are unrelated. Nobody needs electronic tango to dance in a tango nuevo style. Collaboration with other people more informed in the subject is necessary to make this article informative.

98.247.209.223 (talk) 06:18, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Homer Ladas[edit]

Why remove Homer Ladas from the list of nuevo dancers when he is the only one who has a reference to back up his being known for nuevo? It does not matter at all if Ladas does not want his name listed; the article in the Wall Street Journal puts him there solidly. Any dancer can grow and include more styles, but until Ladas becomes known for another style, and a new reference is brought to show that he is no longer nuevo, his name stays. His is the only name that has a reference, at this time. Binksternet (talk) 14:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That Wall Street Journal write an article about tango in a small community, doen't mean that he deserve to be listed together with thouse famous dancers that you mentioned. First of all, the article seems to be written by a amateur dancer or by a tango enthusiast, and its clearly talking about some dancer in a small community, kind of personal experience. This writer is clearly not a specialized in tango argentino, so if you want, you can write an article about how Homer Ladas dance's or how good is he in the US, but you can not put him together with thouse other masters that you mentioned in the article (Fabian Salas, Gustavo Naveira, Chicho Frúmboli, Pablo Verón, Sebastián Arce, Mariana Montes), and i have to say that the reason is very simple: this people did really make a change in tango argentino, you are talking about the greatest master in Argentinian Tango, and i'm very sorry but everyone can tell that Homer Ladas doesn't occupied the same place ... if you can't see this then you are making wikipedia no reliable... --Losmuchachosdeantes (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The San Francisco Bay Area tango community with its thousands of dancers may well be the largest outside of Buenos Aires, so your saying "small community" is belittling it. Furthermore, Ladas teaches at tango festivals all over the U.S.—many English-speaking tango dancers know of him. He is included in the list because he is known for nuevo style, not because he is thought to be better than Gustavo or Fabian or Chicho. The short list does not attempt to say which dancers are the best, only which are known for nuevo. Man, I was dancing at Broadway Tango in San Francisco in late '97 or early '98 when host Steve Palubinskas asked Homer to leave because he showed up wearing tennis shoes, not tango shoes—I have seen Homer's very humble beginnings when I thought very little of his style. Now, a decade later, he deserves the kind of respect that comes from being featured on Wall Street Journal's front page. I am not a huge Homer Ladas fan, but I know how Wikipedia works, and it works from reliable sources, not personal opinion. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but tango nuevo is not a style of tango... so you can't say who dance 'nuevo' or who doesn't... you mixed up everything... your mixed what Naveira and the others did with a new 'style'.. well for your information, Naveira did not create a new 'style' he just study what others did before (and he says that). This nuevo thing is just a movement that started in the 80' and is not a style in itself. Mariano 'Chicho' Frúmboli says that tango nuevo is not a style, it is just something that is going on now and that nobody knows how it will end. He says he dance Tango. Let's think a bit farther, if Chicho, Naveira, Verón, Arce and Ladas dance so much diferent, how can you say that they dance the same 'style', you might have to search into the definition of style: there are as many styles as dancers, and let me tell you more, your own style come with the years, that why beginers don't have an style, they just copy their teachers. That's why, for me, it seems your are mixing up everything, and the big mistake is that you put all of this names together. You could clarify more what was the roll of Naveira, Chicho, Arce, Salas, and may Homer if you like, in this 'nuevo' movement. For example, i would say that Homer Ladas is the main reference of this movement in the U.S., i would say that Naveira is the most important reference in this movement (together with Salas, Arce, Verón, Frúmboli)... if you want we can colaborate and search for the better way to write this article. For now, in the way how i see it, they are all in the same level... why you don't ask Naveira what he thinks about it? Ou, and since you say that wikipedia works from reliable sources and not personal opinion... well, let me tell you that you are wrong. I dance tango for many years, i know quite a lot about tango history, and i don't think that i will lern something from an article posted in WSJ... However, how can you say that it doesn't works from personal opinion when you are 'choosing' to add him and you're 'choosing' to don't look farther into tango history when you are just taken an article as a reference...

i just realize that Naveira says that nuevo is not a style in your own article. --Losmuchachosdeantes (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not "my" article; it is just another article about tango on Wikipedia; one that I keep an eye on. You clearly have good ideas for improvement of the article. Do you have any books about the subject that you can use as sources? Binksternet (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

go to the real sources:

check this out:

http://www.eltangauta.com/nota.asp?id=1163&idedicion=0#nota-i

it is an interview to Pablo Verón, he clarifies a lot this thing about tango nuevo... also comes from a specialized tango-magazine. You can find some interesting ideas.

enjoy, and i don't know if you are sarcastic or not, but i would really like to help you to clarify the concept.

--Losmuchachosdeantes (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No sarcasm here. That El Tangauta article is a good source. There are other articles I am working on now, so improving this one is low on my list. Binksternet (talk) 20:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ok --Losmuchachosdeantes (talk) 09:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]