Talk:Ohrana/Uhrana

This article was vandalized from citizens of FYROM. Pleace, read the sources and help to correct it! - With the help of ethnic Macedonian minorities in Bulgaria, several pro-Bulgarian and anti-Greek armed detachments (Ohrana) were organized !!! Absolut nonsence! It have to be - With the help of Macedonian emigrants in Bulgaria, several pro-Bulgarian and anti-Greek armed detachments (Ohrana) were organized. This is unbeliveble! Jingby 13:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are any sources about Macedonian minority in Bulgaria in 1941, this is pure vandalism!The most of population in the whole region ware Bulgarians!According to <IMRO Militia And Volunteer Battalions Of Southwestern Macedonia, 1943-1944 by Vic Nicholas[1]>

<...Only the companies based in the towns of Kostour (Kastoria) and Rupishcha (Argos Orestikon) wore uniforms. These were supplied by the Italians and were resplendant with shoulder patches bearing the inscription "Tiranska Cheta" (Tyrants Company) and the letters IBK-SIS above the inscription which stood for "Italo-Bulgarski Komitet - Svoboda Hi Smrt" (Italo-Bulgarian Committee " Freedom or Death)..>

According to the same source- <... It must be point out that at this stage of Macedonian history, most Macedonians felt themselves Bulgarian, or at the very least, pro-Bulgarian. Macedonians stand to Bulgarians as Austrians stand to Germans...>

According to <Macedonia in the 1940s.Modern and Contemporary Macedonia, vol. II, 64-103. by Yiannis D. Stefanidis> [2]

<...Bulgarian penetration had grave implications for the Resistance, EAM in particular. In Western Macedonia, the Italians had allowed Kalchev, Mladenov and their associates, among them many former IMRO members, to arm pro-Bulgarian elements and to set up the notorious Ohrana (Defence) bands in order to combat the increasing guerrilla activity...> 16:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand where is the photo? Jingby 17:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Freedom4.jpg

Macedonian Slavs in Greek Macedonia greeting German and Bulgarian troops by their invasion as liberators with portraits of Adolf Hitler and Tsar Boris III.

I am waiting about some discussion and explenation about the cleaning of the photo, but after locking of topic was only this scientifical argument: "This article was vandalized by Tatars from 124.168.101.42." Jingby 18:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia has nothing to do with the article so the image of you so called "pro-Nazi Macedonians in Greece" does not need to be included. 124.168.101.42 09:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your comments! Uhrana or Ohrana ware armed detachments of Slavophone pro-Bulgarian population in occupied Greek Macedonia during World War II. Where did I write about "pro-Nazi Macedonians in Greece"? I wrote about pro-Bulgarian and pro-German people! I see that the article is mainly for part of the Aegean Macedonia region that was part of Greece. It aims to emphasize guerilla resistance against bands organised by Greek nationalist on the territory of Aegean Macedonia, while presenting this as a war between the nations Macedonians (100% communists) and Bulgarians (100% fascists). The edit war is because the facts do not correspond to the aim of the person who vandalised the article. Jingby 09:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

....By virtue of the Hilter -Filov accords, Bulgaria occupied almost the whole of Yugoslavian Macedonia - with the exception of the western provinces, which fell within the Italian zone of occupation- and, initially at least, only the eastem part of Greek Macedonia. The Germans kept Central Macedonia under their own command, turning the westem prefectures over to the Italians. Later, however, in 1943, after Italy capitulated, the Bulgarians gained German permission to extend their zone of occupation to include the prefectures of Chalkidiki and Kilkis, while in Western Macedonia they exploited their contacts in the local German Kommandaturs to set up security battalions of pro-Bulgarian Slav-speakers, known as "Ohrana"... "The Second World War and the Triple Occupation" [3]Jingby 18:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

....We also have to be aware that within this period an event of extreme self-sacrifice and bloody struggle occurred in the Western part of Aegean Macedonia. There in the Kostur-Lerin-Voden districts during 1941-4 were formed the Ohrana, who constituted some 12,000 fighters and volunteers from Bulgaria charged with protection of the local population, particularly in the summer of 1944.Armed security units charged with maintaining "law and order". They were organized and directed by Bulgarian liaison officers attached to the German and Italian occupying forces... "Macedonia and Bulgarian National Nihilism - Ivan Alexandrov" (Macedonian Patriotic Organization “TA” Australia Inc. 1993) [4]

Citations[edit]

The first citation is not available on line and surprise surprise is from KKE official history book (from the party than engulfed them and supported an independent Macedonia)which was a combatant of the civil war and a part of the resistance (among other groups) so it's biased.Moreover is has been written in 1958 i suppose from it's title which means that was serving a purpose in the frame of Cold war Eagle of Pontus 08:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed these citations and reworked the beginning of the article! About more info read the References and External links. It is not neccecery to put everywhere verifications whithout reading the added info before it! Regards! Jingby 11:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you Kiddin me[edit]

Do you really put as citations Bulgarian!!!!!!(one side biased) blogspots (unscientific).You must be at of your mind.I will reshape the page in short future.Enough with the stupid propaganda.Eagle of Pontus 11:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, in the blogspot is only citation of the next newspaper: "Македонска трибуна", гр. Форт Уейн, САЩ, бр.3157 от 4 ноември 1993 г. Makedonska Tribuna, Fort Wine, USA, issue 3157, 04.10.1993 Jingby 11:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah how scientific how objective!!!!!!.Now i am thrilled.Eagle of Pontus 11:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the needed info from two another sources! How much additional infos for verification do you need? Jingby 14:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is an encyclopedia and we need neutral sources.If it was to put whatever bibliography i liked then i would have put Greek one which would be biased also.In any case it is collaboratives Nazi scums who are we talking about.They killed persecuted and tortured civilians participated in the extinction of Jewish communities and all the article can find is their own allegations against their victims.It doesn;t make sense Eagle of Pontus 14:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Biased, hate-filled article[edit]

This article reads like a biased, racist anti-Greek diatribe, doubltess perpetrated by some Bulgaroskopian fanatics. It is also of extremely low quality what with its bad english, ungrammatical sentences, and spurious references. As such, articles such as this only serve to give fodder to critics of wikipedia that claim it is nothing more than a forum for crackpots and hacks. Balkan nationalism at its most ugly and primitive.--Tsourkpk (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgaroskopian? The first time I read this term, LOL. Good point, must be explained to the Macedonists. Lantonov (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]