Talk:OpenSkies

A fact from OpenSkies appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 November 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Project Lauren is the codename for an unannounced British airline that will provide service between the U.S. and continental Europe, bypassing the U.K., and that aircraft have already been acquired?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/November.

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"Citation needed"[edit]

2 84 (12/72) 2 64 (24/40)

According to seatguru: "OpenSkies varies the number of seats in each cabin based on demand. Biz Bed has 12 to 24 180° fully flat beds, while the Biz Seat cabin houses 40 to 72 seats that recline 140°." It seems to mean that the divider can be changed, and not 2 planes are one configuration and 2 planes are annother. IluvSD40s (talk) 03:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Planned article[edit]

This is a new article about a planned airline by British Airways. It is created as a separate article because of the details and rationale behind the planned airline would disrupt the British Airways articles in terms of length and detail. I would expect that the article will be renamed and merged at the time the airline name is chosen.

Other airline subsidiaries have been allowed articles, such as the planned Tiger Airways Australia and Delta Connection.

Feel free to help write the article. Archtransit (talk) 18:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem with an article for a planned airline - concerned it needs 24 citations before it has even started ! MilborneOne (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

referencing style[edit]

I have replaced the individual <ref> tags with <ref name="..."> tags for repeated references to the same source. It makes it easier to cite. I haven't changed the format to use one of the citation templates as yet, but that style should probably be emulated at the least at some point. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 05:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Callsign / ICAO Code[edit]

Openskies (BA European Limited) does seem to have been issued ICAO code BOS with callsign MISTRAL according to the Eurocontrol Database, so I have added this info to the article with the appropriate reference. It does at first appear odd that BOS was used as this is the three letter airport code for Boston, however several airlines share an ICAO code with a major airport (LHR, LGW, MAN, MIA, ORD, etc...) are all used by airlines somewhere in the world. SempreVolando (talk) 17:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the source. When I tried to find one myself I just kept getting Boston. Rather interesting callsign though. Funny enough the first google result for "MISTRAL" happens to be a restaurant in Boston! NcSchu_(Talk) 18:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Sections[edit]

I completely removed the section titled 'Problems' because I felt that it no longer had any relevance, as all of the information contained in it referred to problems that were 'possible' under the 'proposed airline', problems that never materialized or never came in to play, and seemed now to only be trivial. Perhaps a mention or two could be re-added to the history section, but I hardly see it necessary to have such a large space dedicated to hypothetical events that never happened. NcSchu_(Talk) 14:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

License suspension[edit]

I've deleted the most recent additions about the license suspension. Basically, this is the problem with using a primary source; it lacks content. That's why we prefer secondary, reliable sources, because they provide such context.

Specifically, the airline appears to be operating as normal; I found no stories on Google news about it suspending operations. If it is in fact operating normally, then the suspension is probably some sort of technicality (for example, that the airline is operating under a European license now). And it appears not be newsworthy. (Per WP:NPOV, giving undue space and weight to unnewsworthy items is to be avoided; similarly, per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The suspension of the licence is important as BA European are no longer operating as OpenSkies, the name is now used as a marketing name for Elysair (formerly marketed as L'Avion). All found with a Google search. MilborneOne (talk) 19:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for editing the article so that it didn't appear that airline operations were suspended. Now, however, it's unclear why BA European's license (or suspension thereof) is relevant at all, since OpenSkies is no longer associated with that BA subsidiary. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because this was an article about BA European marketed as OpenSkies not Elysair marketed as OpenSkies. Perhaps we need a different article on BA European! MilborneOne (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elysair became (as of July 2008) a subsidiary of BA. So what happened was that planes, employees, and operations were reassigned from one subsidiary of BA to another subsidiary. That can be done internally within BA with some paperwork, and externally by filing some legal documents. So changing this sort of "ownership" doesn't have to affect much; from the viewpoint of paying customers, it seems to have made no difference at all. Unless BA European has some other sort of operations that make it notable, no, I don't think we need a separate article on that subsidiary. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Operating as Level"[edit]

What are people making the claim that OpenSkies is still operational, as Level, basing it on? The brand is dead and is not coming back. Staff have been reassigned to Level; the presence of the same staff in both cases doesn't mean OpenSkies still exists, any more than AirTran or Virgin America, for example. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 09:44, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]