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Did you know... that the seeds of the Korean melon have been investigated for use in controlling diabetes?

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False representation of sources[edit]

None of the sources you've stuffed in front of 'chamoe' say anything about 'chamoe' being an English name. One says 'Oriental melon, in Korean chamoe', another says 'chamoe, or Korean melon', another uses 'chamoe' in italics. All of these indicate that they are giving the Korean name of the fruit. Italics are only used for foreign words. In other words, you've made a plain nonsense that misrepresents the sources, and furthermore, have created the strange construct 'the name chamoe comes from the Korean chamoe', which is absurd. Would you stop your WP:POV pushing, and get rid of this rubbish? The name 'chamoe' is adequately dealt with...but it is not an English name. Furthermore, your placement of 'chamoe' before 'makuwa melon' is plain advocacy. Makuwa melon IS listed as an English name of this fruit by reliable sources, and is the origin of the scientific name. Either we revert to the original situation of dealing with alternative names in the separate section per MOS:LEADALT, or you get rid of this absurd claim that 'Chamoe' is an English name. RGloucester — ☎ 23:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Name chamoe[edit]

Hi! I replaced the unsubstantiated alternative name "chamoe melon" with "chamoe" that actually appears in the cited sources. The name "chamoe melon" is logically less plausible too. See below:

Korean + melon = Korean melon
Oriental + melon = Oriental melon
ma (true) + kuwa (mulberry) + uri (melon) = makuwa melon

but

cham (true) + oe (melon) = chamoe = cham melon ≠ chamoe melon

--Malgalmang (talk) 07:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 December 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested (to the previous title) per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Korean melon → Oriental melon – The common name in reliable sources is 'oriental melon'. RGloucester — ☎ 18:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am opening a new requested move on this subject, as a complex of sockpuppets that had artificially interfered with past discussions has been globally locked.

Google Books: 'Oriental melon': 1,450 hits v. 'Korean melon': 751

NCBI database: 'Oriental melon': 87 v. 'Korean melon': 6

AGRIS database: 'Oriental melon': 149 v. 'Korean melon' 7

DOAJ database: 'Oriental melon': 9 v. 'Korean melon' 1

PubAg database: 'Oriental melon': 30 v. 'Korean melon' 2

Finally, a regular Google search, though this contains mostly unreliable sources: 'Oriental melon' 62,500 v. 'Korean melon' 50,900

Google Ngrams has no data on this subject.

The common name in reliable, good-quality sources is 'Oriental melon'. In fact, the first version of this article was based on sources that did not even mention the name 'Korean melon'. These are a book by Lim T.K. (seen as DOI 10.1007/978-94-007-1764-0_34), a journal article by K. Kato et al., and a book by Kitamura. I have expanded this article, having gone through piles of English and Japanese texts...it's clear to me that the present title does not fulfil the criteria set down at WP:AT. Therefore, I propose that this article be moved to the common name, 'Oriental melon'. If for some reason this is unpalatable, I would also accept the scientific name, 'Cucumis melo Makuwa Group', which, whilst less common, is neutral, and in line with WP:NCFLORA. RGloucester — ☎ 18:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per well-researched and convincing nomination. — AjaxSmack 02:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Calidum 04:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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