Talk:Palestine national football team

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Phrase Removal[edit]

I removed Dancarney's addition, because domestic games have nothing to do with the Palestine national team, besides I don't see how bombing one single stadium stops the domestic league. Besides, the bombing occured only this year, as the phrase noted, and the Palestine national team never hosted official games in the PA. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 22:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that Palestine not having a domestic league was an interesting point, much as West Germany winning the World Cup in 1954 despite not having a domestic professional league is also interesting. I think you're right about mentioning the bombing of the national stadium though, that probably only needs to be mentioned in the Palestine Stadium page.Dancarney 13:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is an interesting point, but it should be on Palestinian FA or Palestinian League, not the domestic team. If the national team reaches the World Cup/Asia Cup, I think it could be worth mentioning (i.e. "The Palestine national team reached the 2008 Asia Cup despite not having a local league"). ⌠Yellow up⌡ 13:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agreed whit you. Wolfmann 17:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC) I yes agreed whit you Isreal and Palestene have equal right "old" Palestine football associationWolfmann 17:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

Before Palestine re-recognized in 1998, Palestine act as West Bank national football team. So i think West Bank should merge into this page as part of history. Matt86hk talk 04:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing on the West Bank team article to merge, so I would suggest that that page be deleted (or made a redirect to here) and a comment along the lines of "From 19... to 19 ..., the Palestinians were represented in international football under the name "West Bank"" in this article. However, other superceded national teams (USSR, East Germany, Saar, Yugoslavia, South Vietnam, South Yemen, Czechoslovakia) have retained their distinctive page. Kevin McE 00:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Geographical correctness[edit]

"The Palestine national football team is the national team of Palestine and is..." shouldn't that be changed to the national team of the Palestinian Authority or Palestinian Territories, being that Palestine is not technically a country. Romis 13:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is wrong to treat international teams as if they must belong to each different country because such a simplification doesn't hold true in all cases. The Palestine national football team is the team of the Palestinian Football Federation, which was admitted to FIFA as the representative of "Palestine". In practice, however, FIFA deals with the PFF over issues relating to the Palestinian territories and the diaspora, over which the PFF and its team are given some special consideration by FIFA. Chinese Taipei is not a country either, but FIFA is a sporting organisation, not a political one. It calls the teams "Palestine" and "Chinese Taipei" to avoid having to endorse a particular political POV like the nationhood of the Palestinian National Authority or the Republic of China. Tonyobrienuk 17:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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History of Palestine national football team[edit]

We should show both viewpoints and matches claimed to be the first internationals played by Palestine or Israel in 1934 and 1953 if we want to be righteous and give a civilized image for Wikipedia. Note that the British mandate used the term Palestine predominately (not Israel).

I as a Palestinian try and wants to be neutral as much as I can, however when it comes to stealing my country's sport history, I became very angry and I feel injustice. According to many sources, a part of them says that Palestine came to existence in football for the first in 1928 and played vs Egypt in the World Cup Qualification 6 years later, and the other part says that the Palestinian Football Association was inherited by the Israeli one in 1948. We can not be 100% sure which part is right so that requires to follow both parties to not disappoint any people from Palestine and Israel as well as avoiding editing wars that have occurred in the past.--Uishaki (talk) 14:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources
Uishaki, there is an official source from FIFA that recognize the Israeli Association as the Mandatory Palestine Association. Look at the affiliation data for Israel and Palestine. Mandatory Palestine national football team(not palestine) was inherited by the Israeli national team and not the Palestinian one. BTW, regardless the valid sources, doesn't it seem strange to you that almost all the players of Mandatory Palestine were Jewish and later played for the Israeli team? Please read the sources in the article. --Infantom (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Go to FIFA.com and search match history by year FIFA has the games from Mandatory Palestine listed as under Palestine's page. Israel's record only goes back to 1948. [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstriker06 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. See the correct affiliation data for both Israel(1929)[1] and Palestine[2](1998). Plus, see the extra source below. Palestine has nothing to do with the Mandate's team. Do not change it before proving your claim on talk page. Infantom (talk) 03:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your links just lead to each Association's page. Both were founded in 1928 (because both used to be tied to the same organization)- Again all you have to is look at the match record. The Mandate's matches are affiliated with Palestine and not Israel that information is on the FIFA website itself! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstriker06 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Again you are wrong. The Mandatory Palestine team was associated with the Eretz Israel association which is the Israeli association of today. Palestine was not recognized until 1998, how could it participate it FIFA competitions? The match record is a mistake. FIFA has 3 other claims that contradict your assertion: the association affiliation data and the cites below which you're ignoring on purpose, so let me do it again- "The modern Palestine, an Arab state, has no connection with the Palestine (then a British mandate) delegations that played in the qualifying games for 1934 & 1938 under the name of Hitachduth Eretz Yisraelit Lakadur Regel.", and "A Jewish delegation from Palestine (then a British mandate) played at the qualifying games for 1934 & 1938. It was the first Jewish national team, and as such the forerunner of Israel. Was relocated from Asia’s to Europe’s group in 1954.".[3] Got it? Infantom (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Another source from FIFA:[4]
  • About Palestine: "The modern Palestine, an Arab state, has no connection with the Palestine (then a British mandate) delegations that played in the qualifying games for 1934 & 1938 under the name of Hitachduth Eretz Yisraelit Lakadur Regel."
  • About Israel: "A Jewish delegation from Palestine (then a British mandate) played at the qualifying games for 1934 & 1938. It was the first Jewish national team, and as such the forerunner of Israel. Was relocated from Asia’s to Europe’s group in 1954." r source: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infantom (talk • contribs) 11:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have protected the page to stop this edit warring continue. I suggest you bring the dispute to WT:FOOTY for wider input from the football WikiProject. However, in my experience, the FIFA affiliation dates are generally accepted to be the main way of identifying successor status, and in this case it is clear that the Israel team is considered the successor of the Mandatory Palestine team. Number 57 18:16, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/teams/country=ple/matches/year=1934/index.html

Worried Wikipedian[edit]

I've noticed several errors ([[Palestine {{{altlink}}}|Palestine]]) with the {{fb}} tags for Palestine. Please can this be fixed. Is this some kind of co-ordinated assault on Palestinian football or? (ps. I'm not Palestinian) Ayoopdog (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

nickname[edit]

Al-Fida'i does not equal "The Redeemers." First, it should be the singular "the redeemer." "Al-Fida'i" is short for "al-Muntakhab al-Fida'i" (the national that redeems." Second, "redeemer" is a bad translation. I prefer "self-sacrificer". -unlisted commenter guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.182.134 (talk) 17:46, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

There is a significant amount of material, contemporary and historic, in this article, which I suggest editors of this page examine for possible additions to the page. Raio Costa, 'The final straw: The real reason why Palestine wants Israel out of FIFA Israel/Palestine,' Mondoweiss, 21 May, 2015 Nishidani (talk) 13:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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First International[edit]

Hi, I noticed an odd edit in the edit history, there were several edits done by user 156.213.79.152 to the "first international" section of the infobox. These edits starting here vastly changed the first international match from a 1953 match against Egypt to a 1939 match against Australia. I could be uninformed here and this is a legitimate edit, but the IP user discussed above also has an odd, reverted edit "correcting" the score of a game between the Australia men's national team and American Samoa here. There was no sourcing or explanation for this series of edits. Can someone clear up this discrepancy or correct it? Thanks. --http://en.wikipedia.org/u/seriouslyguys/talk/contribs 23:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was discussed here but never actioned. I'll amend it now. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Palestine qualifiying for AFC Asian Cup Round of 16[edit]

Will anyone update the infobox for Palestine because they have reached the Round of 16 in the 2023 AFC Asian Cup but it still states that their best result is Group stage.80.194.237.230 (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to have been changed now. 80.194.237.230 (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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