Talk:Paraceratherium/GA1
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Reviewer: Reid,iain james (talk · contribs) 03:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
This review is now officially going down. I haven't been involved in the mammals wikiproject to any large amount recently, so might as well claim this review before someone else does. I also have learned a large amount about this genus recently, uploaded some images and own a few resources. The overall article is good, although then again, User:FunkMonk, you probably are more an expert than I at layout and text formatting. One first thing, the text is relatively balanced over the species, but the images are all about P. transouralicum (yes, I do know that one image is of the type species), or are not species-specific. The case might indeed be that no restorations have yet been made of P. bugtiense, and P. orgosensis is an uncertain blacement, but illustrations can be modified, and some free images probably exist. No biggie, but just a preliminary point. Great article, IJReid (talk) 03:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! GA reviews are always a good way to learn more about unfamiliar topics. As for images, there simply aren't any free images available of the other species (apart from the one I already added of a P. bugtiense jaw, and maybe some other isolated elements that aren't so interesting). They are mainly known from very scrappy remains, so they have rarely been reconstructed. FunkMonk (talk) 14:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Lead and taxon box[edit]
First paragraph:
- No form of pronunciation or etymology can be found in the lead. This should exist somewhere.
- The country Yugoslavia should be linked. China does not need to be as most people should known where it is.
Second paragraph:
- Based on the skeleton in the taxon box, it is not very incomplete.
- Many elusive or uncommon terms should be linked or (less preferably) defined.
Third paragraph:
- The many species that are synonymous in the taxon box, are not mentioned, nor are any related genera.
Taxon box:
- It does not state that Thaumastotherium was preoccupied.
- The authority for Baluchitherium osborni should be in brackets.
- The type or both species of Dzungariotherium should have a question mark preceeding it, as well as P. ordosensis in the synonyms list.
Taxonomy[edit]
- Should be divided into sections containing info on specific species (redundant?)
- Smaller reference numbers should always be in front of larger numbers.
Second paragraph:
- The second to ninth paragraphs should be in a subsection titled "Species and synonyms".
- Hmmm, I'm not sure that is necessary, the term taxonomy already accounts for this. You may be thinking of dinosaur articles, but they usually don't have titles called taxonomy for some reason, but instead have a history of discoveries. Species and synonym sections are not used in all dinosaur articles even, much less in FAs, if you look. But hey, added a section anyway, since the part was so long. FunkMonk (talk) 05:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Fourth paragraph:
- "He did not assign a species name I. asiaticum until 1923, but by 1922 Maria Pavlova had already named it I. transouralicum by 1922" redundant, grammar errors.
- What part is redundant? I think the structure may have been changed during copy editing. FunkMonk (talk) 05:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
- What related forms?
Sixth paragraph:
- What other species, otherwise this won't be a full review of the taxonomy.
Eighth paragraph:
- Why does this paragraph state that a highly revered study found P. prohorovi valid, while the taxon box contradict this?
Twelfth paragraph:
- Are any newer cladograms available?
- Some Chinese ones that are not accepted by western scientists, as they include invalid taxa. FunkMonk (talk) 05:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Could you list them for me, as they might be useful for Forstercooperia? IJReid (talk) 17:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Some Chinese ones that are not accepted by western scientists, as they include invalid taxa. FunkMonk (talk) 05:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Description[edit]
First paragraph:
- "The weight of Paraceratherium was approached by some extinct proboscideans; the largest complete skeleton known belonging to the steppe mammoth Mammuthus trogontherii" suspect that this was tampered with by the copy editor, but should should probably have an extra "but" or "with".
Third paragraph:
- Trochanters is incorrectly spelled.
- Could remove the comma immediately after "reduced"
Sixth paragraph:
- It should be mentioned that much of the skull is partially reconstructed (the cast material is easy to spot).
Eighth paragraph:
- "The teeth of P. orgosensis are 25 percent bigger than those of P. transouralicum, making it the largest known indricothere" how does that make sense?
- Because it is mainly known from teeth, so there is not much else to compare with. FunkMonk (talk) 05:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Then that should probably be mentioned. IJReid (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- The source doesn't say this specifically, it says one plays that it is mainly known from teeth, and in another it says the stuff about size. If I relate the two, it is a kind of original synthesis, I believe. FunkMonk (talk) 20:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Then that should probably be mentioned. IJReid (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Because it is mainly known from teeth, so there is not much else to compare with. FunkMonk (talk) 05:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Which species is the dental formula of?
A completed review of the article will come later. IJReid (talk) 04:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
After these last querries are completed, I do believe that this article meets the GA standards. Nice work! Also, an old reconstruction that is not outdated, Hurray! IJReid (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, mammal restorations age pretty well, because there are close living relatives they could be based on back then. FunkMonk (talk) 20:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- By the way, I hate citation template stuff, which one would you suggest I use for ref 29? FunkMonk (talk) 21:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Final point[edit]
- The cladogram should be referenced
This article is now passed!! :) IJReid (talk) 20:14, 5 October 2014 (UTC)