Talk:Pathfinder (2007 film)

Remake

Despite having the same title, this Pathfinder isn't by the meagerest of stretches a remake of the Norwegian 1987 film The Pathfinder. The latter is about Sami in Scandinavia, not Vikings in Newfoundland.

Yeah, I can't really see the direct connection either. I'm from Norway and I know the original movie. 85.19.140.9 21:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

They both concern a town being overrun by invaders, but not much more (based on the reviews i've read of this film, and having seen the superb 1987 film). That and the identical title suggests they're related, but not a "remake" by any stretch; maybe "inspired by" would work? Allmovie says "influenced by"; I could accept that. --Quiddity 03:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The credits for the movie state that it was "based upon" the 1987 movie. I haven't seen the earlier film, so I can't say what about it is taken from that film. Lordjubatus 21:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The director has mentioned the Sami movie in several interviews (see e.g. the current issue of Empire: "With a few tweaks, he thought, he could turn [the original Pathfinder] into a story to show Vikings as they actually were: not steroidal Fabio lookalikes, but professional thugs who arrived in America some 500 year before Columbus [...]")). Haven't seen any references to a Dark Horse comic elsewhere, though. Cd52x 12:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, THATS how Vikings were. They were dirty thugs dressed in black. The movie doesnt take itself historically accurate, so why did they say that? Mailrobot 20:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The Empire article also mentions that the movie was originally slated for relase in late summer 2006, which makes me think that the Dark Horse comic is based on the movie, rather than the other way around...

Release date?

This page says it will be released in April, but The Pathfinder says it was released in September 2006... Adam Bishop 17:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected the release date at The Pathfinder after double-checking sources that 4/27/07 was the release date. Thanks for the heads-up. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yesterday I've seen that film in theater in Chelyabinsk, Russia. Can it be so that the film was released in Russia 4 months earlier than in US?

Yeah, me too. I've seen it in theater in Malaysia. Just last week. The graphics and all were just so amazing. Great posters too.

Hmm, depends on the location I guess. Here in Asia, it has been showing for a week now. Should we do an article update? Heavenstorm 22:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation for use

• Troy Rogers (2007-02-26). "Karl Urban, Pathfinder Interview". UGO. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Citation for use. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 02:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Title change

According to the film's website, the title has been changed to Pathfinder: Legend of the Ghost Warrior.

• "Official Pathfinder site". 2007-03-21. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

129.115.251.186 14:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

graphic novel?

isn't there a graphic novel of the story? i swore i saw one in books-a-million.... Freelancepolice 03:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea there is...Dark Horse Comics

(+ NickyBatts 17:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

I've reworded the opening as it appears to be an adaptation of the film [1] It was supposed to be relased a month before the film launch [2] ut it seems the film's release date slipped so the graphic novel ended having a lead on the film possibly giving the impression that the film was an adaptation. A similarish thing happened with The Fountain (graphic novel) - based on the screenplay it actually appeared before the film. (Emperor 14:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC))

I see the opening section was changed and I've changed it back. If you have a source that says it is a film based on a graphic novel then fire away but that isn't what the current sources say. As menioned above Studio Ronin created the graphic novel and describe it like this "The graphic novel adaptation of the new film by Marcus Nispel" [3] That doesn;t leave much room for dispute if the people who wrote and drew it say that, however, it may be wrong but if so you'd need at least as good a source to counter that (like the director saying so). {Emperor 15:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC))

Interview with director

• Edward Douglas (2007-04-03). "EXCL: Pathfinder Director Marcus Nispel". ComingSoon.net. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Some coverage about the film. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 16:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Visual effects

• Tara DiLullo Bennett (2007-04-13). "Pathfinder: A Map to Making VFX Viking Epic". VFXWorld. Retrieved 2007-04-13. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Go to http://www.bugmenot.com/view/www.vfxworld.com to find the user/pass to access the second page. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 19:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Game

There's a game out there promoting this movie. I've no idea how much of it could be considered spoiler, as I haven't seen the movie. About 1.5 hrs first time through. Free. http://www.ghostwarriorgame.com/

Fact vs. Fiction

I think that since this movie is based on the historical fact that the vikings did discover Newfoundland/Vinland, that there should be a section explaining the facts and fiction (mostly fiction) that this movie shows. Anything from innacurate armour to no evidence of ever warring with the Native Americans etc. I think it's important to state these things when you base a movie on historical groups of people. JanderVK

Agreed 100%. I'm not versed enough in the history involved here, but I'd be glad to contribute what I can to this department. JamesMcCloud129 18:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want to create such a section, you would need to cite attributable sources. You can't just read a history book and watch the movie and say, "Hey, this is what's wrong with it." It's called synthesis, a type of original research. What you can do, though, is find citations of film critics, especially historians, that point out the differences. Take a look at Apocalypto -- while the article is not very well-structured, it has a lot of references that help reflect what would be acceptable here. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 20:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If you spot an inaccuracy that you can back up, surely this is enough? A simplified example: 'Ghost' states that the Vikings "know nothing of spring". If I find a credible source that states that spring did in fact occur annually in Scandinavia even in the 10th century (and vikings would therefor not be completely foreign to the idea that ice can be thin and break under their weight), this fact would still be attributable to my source; I should not have to find a film critic pointing this out specifically in reference to this movie. Either way I do think it should somehow be pointed out, in one way or another, that historically speaking, this film is completely ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Language?

What language was used/spoken in the movie by the Vikings? Rarelibra 16:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

To me, it sounded like a mishmash of Germanic languages. The gruff way they spoke made it difficult to guess, but I thought I heard some Swedish, Icelandic, and German words in there along with some words that were clearly related to words in those languages. The sidebar lists the languages in the movie as English and Icelandic. This would make sense, since Icelandic is the closest living language to Old Norse (the language of the Vikings). I've been told that there is very little difference between Old Norse and Icelandic. Aelffin 18:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Name of the Tribe the Pathfinder is from

The name of the tribe in which the Pathfinder is from is called Passamaquoddy. I know this because in one of the eraly scenes the Chief says how the people of the dawn will need to be prepared for the demons return. or something like that, anyway the Passamaquoddy are known as the People of the Dawn. Im part Passamaquoddy thats how i know. I think it should be mentioned in the article that my tribe is the one the Pathfinder is from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.201.91 (talk) 00:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)