Talk:Powys

Pronunciation?

How is the name pronounced? We should put it in there. Funnyhat 06:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Its pronounced how it looks; Powys (Pow-is)--212.219.189.120 10:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually I would say it is pronounced Pow-iss, not Pow-is. Kingbumpkin (talk) 20:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It pretty much depends on the first language of the person pronouncing Powys. English speakers tend to pronounce the name as it is written, however Welsh speakers give the first syllable more of an 'oh' sound and the w is also made a part of the first syllable. I think this would constitute (English pronunciation) /ˈpəʊ.wɪs/ as opposed to (Welsh pronunciation) /ˈpæw.ɪs/, however I'm not certain that this would be the exact transcription in IPA. Considering Welsh is the official language though, I'd consider the latter pronunciation to be the correct one. -- Ti (talk) 16:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I was brought up in Shropshire ("Montgomeryshire Occupied Territories"); the pronounciation used on the Welsh Marches on both sides of the border is Pow-iss, with the w part of the first syllable. Andrew Oakley (talk) 13:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

. I was also brought up in the Marches and it is Pow (as in Cow) and is (as in List). the poe-hiss pronunciation is more appropriate to the castle outside Welshpool. --MJB (talk) 22:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Article updated to include pronunciation in first paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evilandi (talk • contribs) 14:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The Welsh and English language pronunciations are different. As noted above by Ti, "English speakers tend to pronounce the name as it is written, however Welsh speakers give the first syllable more of an 'oh' sound and the w is also made a part of the first syllable." Native Welsh speakers never pronounce the first syllable as in "cow" and the accent falls firmly and roundly on the Pow- part. This needs to be made clear in the article but I admit I'm not much good with the IPA so don't know if the /ˈpæw.ɪs/ given above is correct. Could somebody familiar with IPA please check it so that the article can be amended? Enaidmawr (talk) 17:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Listened to news item on BBC Wales and both forms of pronunciation "Pow" as in low and as in cow were used! Confused?--MJB (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

School league tables

I removed the 'league table' of school results because Estyn doesn't inspect schools annually, so the exam results cited won't necessarily be directly comparable. People may be aware that since 2001, the Assembly Government hasn't published individual school performance information.[1] Information on individual schools is still available in prospectuses and governors’ annual reports, but adding them all together to produce a local league table may violate WP:SYNTH. Pondle (talk) 23:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Flag and Coat of Arms

Are we missing something, or does Powys lack a flag and armorial bearings? FreeFlow99 (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Etymology

Powys is from Latin pagensis from pagus meaning 'country' Nobel X300 (talk) 19:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Proposed infobox collage

Following the discussion resulting in WP:WLSCOUNTYCOLLAGE inline with UKGEO, and the expectation that multiple images would eventually be added to the infobox in a possible dispute. To get the ball rolling, I propose the following to be added in the infobox using {{multiple image}}.

DankJae's proposal

Proposal 2

Order: Maintain first image for page preview, I'm fine with it.
General: As Powys is made of three historic counties, made sense to try to represent the other two, Radnorshire and Brecknockshire. Added the Craig Goch Dam to represent Powys' (controversial) home to many dammed reservoirs (although open to a image showing more of the lake), and in need of a vertical image, opted for Brecknockshire's Hay-on-Wye Clock tower, although happy for one of its bookstores or an entirely different (vertical) image of Brecknockshire (Brecon, y Bannau etc.).

Be free to suggest better quality images of the same landmarks, and would happly apply. Be free to also suggest using different criteria and landmarks and would happily discuss what is best to represent the county, this one was suddenly made so I encourage and critique to replace some images.

If no opposition is raised, I would boldly insert it on 19 December. Opted for a discussion, considering previous attempts on others led to a dispute. Pinging those I feel are connected to the discussion specifically on Powys, however you do not need to respond.

Tbh, @A.D.Hope, you're the only one directly connected to this issue, so got any other ideas or are these fine? If it is just a 1-1 consensus, it would be a looser consensus so more open in the future if another editor joins in at anytime. DankJae 03:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I've added a proposal, not because I necessarily think it's better but to help us bounce around some ideas.

Pen y Fan is probably the most obvious suggestion, given it's the highest mountain in South Wales. The Lake Vyrnwy straining tower might be the most picturesque piece of reservoir architecture in the UK (inspired by Castell Coch, I believe). Although I'm generally not a fan of country houses in these collages, Powis Castle is one of the better-known Powys landmarks.

Overall I think your idea of representing the three historic counties is sound, I just struggled to represent Radnorshire. Although I'd normally recommend trying to incorporate a more modern landmark, for Powys I really can't think of anything. As a side note, the county loves a clock tower, doesn't it? All the towns seem to have one! A.D.Hope (talk) 10:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Lake Vyrnwy and Powis Castle are both in Montgomeryshire, as well as Montgomery Castle, so we have to pick one, if basing on my criteria. Yeah Radnorshire is difficult, from the surface its either Llandrindod, Rhayader, its red kites, the Elan Valley's Garreg Ddu Dam, Pen-y-Gareg Dam, Craig Goch Dam, or half of Claerwen Reservoir. But considering the "Elan Valley" is notable and described as a Welsh Lake District seems the most fitting.

Understand Pen y fan, but tbh that can be in the Brecon Beacons (y Bannau) article, as I don't automatically plan for a image of Snowdon at Gwynedd for the same reason (preferring best image of Snowdonia/Eryri instead). Plus there surely are nicer (brighter) images of the hills (not a bad image of Pen y fan, but like its barren :/), but if really needed, fine to accept it based on rationale.

Yeah Hay's clock tower was a last minute selection because I had no other ideas for a vertical image in Brecknockshire. (Nothing of Brecon came up suitable :/) DankJae 11:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

For brevity's sake I won't go into my reasoning, but what about:

• an Elan Valley reservoir (countryside, Radnorshire)
• Powis Castle or Montgomery Castle (history, Montgomeryshire)
• Hay clock tower (town, Breconshire)

We might need to play around with the exact images, but having had a look at what's available I think that's our best shot at a selection of high-quality photos. I don't have time to compile another proposal just now, but I'll get round to it. A.D.Hope (talk) 14:37, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

So basically I'm agreeing with your original idea, just with a bit of playing about to see what fits where. The reservoir might be best as the top image, for example. A.D.Hope (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no rush, I'm waiting till 19th anyway, so I you have any ideas by then be free to raise them. If I do add it to the article without a large discussion happy to BRD again. Like not fully convinced with Hay Clock tower so I'll see if I can find any other Breconshire vertical building. Or wait till someone else joins. DankJae 15:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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  St Edmund's, Crickhowell
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  Wellington statue, Brecon

Here is an alternative image to the Hay tower, if cropped, I'll look for anymore modern structures in Breconshire. DankJae 03:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

added one of Brecon statue. DankJae 03:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)