Talk:Prestwich/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Is this a house? A suburb? If some one who knows about this place contributed, I think this sub-stub could eventually get to be an article.Mexaguil — Preceding undated comment added 22:54, 8 April 2005 (UTC)

Parish

Does anybody know anything about the (ancient?) parish of Oldham-cum-Prestwich or Prestwich-cum-Oldham?? I presume it was a parish which encompassed the towns of Oldham and Prestwich. It is mentioned in many old "Births, Deaths and Marriage" certificates and on the main article page, but is my presumption correct, when was it created/disbanded? Anybody have any thoughts/info? Jhamez84 16:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I've since created the article based on research - although others are encouraged to expand it further. Thanks, Jhamez84 20:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I can technically confirm this, and you should contact the Prestwich Heratage Society for further info. I'd supply contact details, but they'd be absued. - Chris

I have heard that Prestwich-cum-Oldham was the largest parish in the country at one time. When my grandaughter was christened in a church in Royton seven years ago the vicar told me that he still had to get permission to carry out a baptism from St Mary's Church in Prestwich. Does anyone know the history of the Star Chamber in the Church Inn? I was told (if I remember correctly) that the Beadle meted out ecclesiastical justice from that odd little seat in the middle of the curved bench there. If that's true it would make a fascinating addition to the religious section. Richerman 21:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Transport

Edited the section mentioning the 98 bus. As someone who gets this bus on a regular basis (every day, to university) I can officially state that at peak times (rush hour, between 8 and 10 AM and between 4-6 pm) it is often more than 10 minutes between busses. - Chris

That comes under the heading of original research which is not supposed to be in wikipedia. You shouldn't change statements unless you have a good published reference which says something different. For instance, it would be quite correct to say the buses were timetabled to arrive every ten minutes and give a reference for the GMPTE timetables website, even if experience tells you they don't actually arrive that often. Richerman 15:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Heaton Park

The claim that "This was the ancient seat of the Earls of Wilton" is unsupported by references. The article on Heaton Park makes no such claim, only stating that the Earl of Wilton sold it in 1902, supported by this ref. Furthermore, the article on the Earl of Wilton cites the family seat as Wilton Castle in the County of Hereford and makes no mention of Heaton Park; it also says that the title goes back only as far as 1801, so it is hard to claim any ancient seat. I've removed the claim pro tem, but if anyone can cite a supporting ref then please reinstate it. -- Timberframe (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

According to Jenkins & Hartwell, The Egertons at Heaton were 16th century magnates, who became v. rich on the discovery of coal on their land. Heaton Hall was designed in the 1770s for Thomas Egerton, 7th Bart, who became 1st Earl of Wilton. The hall replaced the family home, but I have no idea how long it had been so. Jenkins, Simon (2003). England's thousand best houses. London: Allen Lane. ISBN 0-713-99596-3., Hartwell, Clare (2001). Manchester. Pevsner architectural guides. London: Penguin. ISBN 0-14-071131-7. Mr Stephen (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Good stuff; that sounds notable enough to warrant a mention, if you'd like to do so. -- Timberframe (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

If you look here you will get the answer - it says:

Between the mid 14th century and the beginning of the 20th century just two families owned the Heaton estate.

It passed down through the generations of the Holland family until Elizabeth Holland, the last member of the family line, married Sir John Egerton in 1684.

In 1772 Sir Thomas Egerton (later 1st Earl of Wilton) built a new home in the park for himself and his new wife. Being young and wealthy Sir Thomas employed the best, most fashionable architect of the time – James Wyatt. His house – Heaton Hall – and the other magnificent buildings that Wyatt and his family designed can still be seen around the park...

Richerman (talk) 23:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

More good stuff. Thanks, guys. I was in proof-reading mode yesterday and wasn't about to get distracted searching the web for missing refs. I remain unconvinced by the "ancient seat" clause (neither ancient at only 100 years ownership, nor demonstrated to be the "seat" rather than a second or occasional residence - Wilton Castle appears to be a more apt candidate for the title on both counts), but the history of ownership by the future first earl to, I assume, the 5th earl is certainly worth adding to either this article or Heaton Park. -- Timberframe (talk) 08:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

No, your right. If anything, it was the ancient seat of the Holland family which then passed by marriage to a minor Baronet of the Egerton family, who later became the Earl of Wilton. I think it's clearer in the Heaton Park article - but then I would say that as I wrote most of it :) Richerman (talk) 10:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Prestwich Forest Park

Just a quick note... I forgot to include an Edit Summary when I made a slight change just now (oops!). I removed the link to Clough from the "Prestwich Clough" list entry in this section as the article it links to really has no relationship to our clough. Sorry about that. Jack of Many (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Heaton Park

Should Heaton Park which was added to the city of Manchester in 1903 be in this article?--J3Mrs (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've removed it, the paragraph said it was in Manchester.--J3Mrs (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Bury New Road

Was this road a turnpike?--J3Mrs (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, according to Dobkin it was built by a turnpike trust in 1831. The tolls were abolished in 1848. I'll have to check on the construction date and see which one is correct - possibly it was started in 1827 and completed in 1831. Richerman (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like 1826 is the right date - I've added a new citation for that. I see you're working on workhouse at the moment. If your interested in adding something on Prestwich workhouse at Rainsough you'll find some information at http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ - click on the Poor Law Union maps. Richerman (talk) 00:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh I'm a bit of a butterfly at the moment, I'm here, my coal mining books were left elsewhere then it snowed, so I've been amusing myself. I get bored easily and am a better starter than finisher according to my husband. :-(. I will use the info....eventually. I will do some more on Prestwich, find some more refs but I hope you'll help as you obviously know the area.--J3Mrs (talk) 09:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I am a Prestwich lad. I was just passing by the other day and didn't have much time but I do add stuff to the page as I find it. Better starter than finisher? - don't get my wife started on that one. A (female) colleague once christened me "Arfur" because she said I only ever did 'arf a job - damned cheek! Richerman (talk) 18:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

We've just passed by on the M62! Horrible bit of road in this awful weather. The motorway hasn't got a mention yet. I hope you like what I've done so far, change whatever I get wrong, I found something on the railway which I'll get to later.

Actually (as I'm sure you know) the bit of the M62 that goes through Prestwich became part of the M60 some time ago, although I still think of it as the M62 myself :) That motorway has a lot to answer for - it ruined Philips Park and obliterated Bobby's Pond where I used to catch newts. And yes, I do like the changes you've made now I've had a chance to read it all. Richerman (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Overlinking

Will editors please read wp:overlink before adding any links to this article? Commonly understood terms like 'Jewish', 'mosque' and 'Christian' don't need links and (do you really think anyone would need to look them up?) and we don't need three links to the article about the parish church. Richerman (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Manchester

Its impossible to define Prestwich as a part of Bury. This should be mentioned in the article. Preswich has a manchester post code, manchester insurance ates and is closer to manchester. This difficulty in definition should be mentioned

I agree. It makes me smile when the Manchester Evening News sometimes refers to "Prestwich, near Bury" (?)Being associated with that place has just dragged us down. Bury itself has a small minded, mill town mentality. Most of us are middle class mancs, and jewish ones at that, with roots in the neighbouring inner city! Who in Prestwich says " I am going into town" and means Bury, rather than the city centre?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.48 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 17 December 2010

It is part of Bury borough regardless, in the same way that Middleton is part of Rochdale borough, despite being closer to both Oldham and Manchester.

This is true, Prestwich residents pay their council tax to Bury and are officially a part of the Borough or Bury. It does have a Manchester postcode because it is in the County of Greater Manchester but this has no bearing on the Borough it is in... Okocha, Prestwich resident since birth.

Not all places in the county of GM have Manchester postcodes. What is that about?

Not that old chestnut! Prestwich has been part of Bury Metro since 1974? As a lifetime resident I know that former one-horse- town that was always ten years behind the rest of the world (they still had Teddy boys on the sixties for God's sake!) sucked all the money out of Prestwich to build their fancy shopping centre while we got the longfield toilet. However it's a fact of life that we're in the Metropolitan Borough of Burry - and that ain't going to change any time soon. Oh, and please remember to sign your posts you naughty people! Richerman 22:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I was raised in Sedgley Park and am not middle class and most people I grew up with are the same as me. As a result of being part of the Borough of Bury, I attended school, college and extra curricular activities such as sports clubs, orchestras and school trips with other children from around Bury. When I say I'm going into town, I do mean Manchester which is probably due to it being geographically closer and easier to get to on the bus but many people who have grown up in the area since the 70s will have close ties with the other towns that fall under Bury because of the education system (e.g. Bury Music Service which during the 80s and early 90s offered free musical instrument tuition for all school children in the whole Bury area). I think derogatory comments about Bury centred around class are unnecessary.188.221.100.156 (talk) 08:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Landmarks and odd thoughts

Some interesting images but I think some may be better suited to a Landmarks section if more info can be found. Listed buildings etc. Just a thought.--J3Mrs (talk) 11:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

• Another thought, I have no idea about the Commons, but would a Commons category be a good idea? I have no idea how to go about this at all so anybody out there willing to help....?
• Must mention motorways having looked at a map.
• I've found refs to a silk industry but a place that grew so quickly must have had more than that.

There is a already commons category here. There were some other textiles made in Prestwich and a fair few bleachworks etc. - some more research I must get onto sometime. Richerman (talk) 18:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

There is no talk section for "Education", so I will put it here. I've edited to show the three secondary schools as the person who last edited decided to only include the Catholic Community by stating that the "Large Catholic community is served by St. Mary's." Truth be told, the entire community is served by St. Mary's as all religions are allowed in year 11 onward. Also, didn't think the word "large" could be used as there was nothing to which to compare. Larger than a breadbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.11.127 (talk) 10:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Sedgley Police College

Sedgley Police College isn't mentioned. The house was a stately home until the early 20th Century and then was a convent until the early 1980s when GMP took it over. It's an important part of the area. I'm not a Wikipedia editor so am not familiar with all the rules for editing but it would be good if someone could add a section on this. 2.27.62.59 (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)