Talk:Queer studies/Archive 1

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The term "Queer studies" is used by scholars who seek to elevate the status of homosexuality and transgenderism to that of academic discipline worthy of scholar study and emulation.

Surely you didn't think this was NPOV, Ed. What you've written makes the very clear implication that this "elevation" "sought" is not kosher (besides its grammatical contortions). Especially given your little comment - as if only heterosexuals and heterosexual lives are worthy of academic interest.

Advocates who promote the use of the term typically complain that LGBT people constitute a class of "The Other" subject to persistent and brutal bodily repression and as such ought to be protected by any society which places emphasize on inclusiveness and diversity.

This, on the other hand, is simply material that was repeated in subsequent paragraphs. - Montrealais

As with the "Queer Theory" article . . . this is nothing but insulting. More than this, it is highly fradulent and dangerously wrong. If one if my students, or god forbid, a real live "homoseuxal" fell upon this page, who knows what could happen. I'm all for re-creating a "Queer Studies" page, but let's do it with a feeling of non-partsianship - and one based on the actual work done in this area. 24.250.249.103 08:58, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)L

That isn't helpful. What, in particular, is wrong with the article? Blanket statements such as "fraudulent" and "wrong" serve hardly any purpose to the improvement of the article.

Regardless, the removal of external, see also, category, and interwiki links is entirely inappropriate. Dysprosia 09:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

if you don't see what's wrong with the messy-ness of this article ...Lantog 09:05, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How else are we supposed to improve the article unless you don't say exactly what's wrong with it? This is what Talk pages are for. Dysprosia 09:06, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I see no evidence that the study of issues relating to sexual orientation and gender identity is known as "queer studies". This sounds like a term someone is promoting, and I think Wikipedia should identify who's promoting it. Better still, describe the POV they seek to promote by encouraging the use of this term. Uncle Ed 03:33, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

All one has to do for evidence is google "queer studies" and 8 of the first 10 links are to .edu sites describing a program of studies at that school named "queer studies". Dgwicks 15:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, Ed, since with what you don't know (or is that what you don't want to know?) half a dozen people could easily embarass themselfes, I don't thing that the fact that you don't see something is decidedly not a conclusive evidence of its nonexistance. And you know, the charge "I don't know this, so people must be soapboxing" is really getting old by now. Also, you might want to explain what the 64.000 Google results given for "queer studies" are about is not about - well, queer studies. -- AlexR 10:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I wish you would stop making hurtful personal remarks to me. When you say things like with what you don't know (or is that what you don't want to know?) half a dozen people could easily embarass themselfes it discourages me from wanting to help edit this article. If I make a mistake, please correct me gently and suavely, with good grace or good humor, but never with incivility. Uncle Ed 12:32, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

AlexR is right, though. It sounds a lot like you're trying to object to this topic based on your lack of knowledge about it, which is precisely why the page has been started in the first place. If you find no evidence for something, it's helpful to perhaps look for it. TomSkylark 06:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Heres a question... Why is it that this page is still branded non-neutral. I agree that there is no problem with the page and thus we should take it off the pov list. It has been over a month...

A brief mention about City College of San Francisco was added to the list of academic institutions. rasax ~22:00, 16 November 2005.

Page move

I moved the page back to "queer studies" after it was recently moved to "sexual diversity studies". Personally the term "queer studies" is much more familiar to me, as well as to google (by a factor of ten). Is there any reason to prefer the other term? ntennis 08:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The term "queer" is offensive to many in almost any context. I suggest it be moved back to Sexual diversity studies. ~iNVERTED | Rob (Talk | Contribs) 20:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored for profanity or language deemed offensive, so the article should be named according to the usual naming conventions, which require using the most common name for the subject. In this case, the most common name is pretty clearly "queer studies." There's a decent discussion of the politics of the word queer at the article of that name, anyway. -- Rbellin|Talk 20:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this topic really called "queer studies" in academic circles? I have never heard the word queer used outside of a derogatory context, and I think there's serious potential to offend people with this title. This is especially important because it's part of the title of the template on all LGBT-related articles. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 02:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Recognizing that Google isn't the definitive source, a search return 250K pages for "queer studies" and 17K pages for "sexual diversity studies". -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Use of the word 'Queer' is not acceptable in an article of this type, not only is it antiquitated, offensive and meaningless it also casts a derogatory light over all LGBT templated articles with this theme. This word is not used in academic circles to describe LGBT issues and it totally out of place being in an encyclopaedia.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Electrobix (talk • contribs) 16:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

The claim that "This word is not used in academic circles" is demonstrably false. For some examples, see this list, which contains several academic programs, centers, and certificates specifically called "queer studies." -- Rbellin|Talk 18:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the one time I ever supported Wikipedia for their not censored policy. Its the word "queer". What's the big deal? Gay people are queer. I'm not homophobic, or trying to hurt gays. Seriously, if queer can be offensive, so can gay, so can homosexual, get where I'm going? Anything can be offensive to anyone, so get over it. -66.218.14.115 21:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I recently tried to add a page which featured the class I am currently taking (at UC Davis) in queer studies, to illustrate how this subject is studied in academia (we were also trying to create a fluid, public definition of "queer"). But my page got deleted 5 min after it's creation! The guy who deleted it said that there was no demand for such a page, what do you all think? Ekidnagrrl17 06:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm a former homophobe and I think that "Queer Studies" is just insulting and rude. How about "Homosexual Studies" or something?--211.28.175.126 05:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

This article is an absolute disgrace. QUEER means WEIRD. Gey people are not weird, and the sooner we clean this page up and stop letting the bullying minority dictate this important template title with their political agendas. Having all LGBT related articles branded with QUEER studies on the template is a disgrace. I support the suggestions to change the name back to 'Sexual Diversity Studies' which is a much more accurate description for the topic. 90.195.115.129 18:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

May I remind the participants in this discussion, once again, that Wikipedia is not censored? If "queer studies" is the most common name for this field, which it appears to be based on all the sources I've seen, then the article should be called "queer studies." A personal opinion of the word's distastefulness is simply not a valid argument for changing the article's title. -- Rbellin|Talk 18:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The person you are replying to did not mention their opinion, IT IS A FACT THAT QUEER MEANS WEIRD. And those sources you mentioned are the ones you have SEEN, which means that they are NOT the only ones that exist. YOU are expressing your personal opinion here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.97.28 (talk) 01:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

This is BS. The term Queer Studies has been used for a long time, I freely refer to myself as "queer" and so do many people I know. Some of us our glad we are different, 'k? --Kelt65 (talk) 03:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

As a graduate student that studies queer studies, my understanding is that it is called queer studies because QUEER MEANS WEIRD. So it's an intentional thing. Also, I've seen the word queer used in popular culture -- 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', 'Queer as Folk.' At my undergraduate institution, we even had a club Queer Geeks. Voyager640 (talk) 19:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)