Talk:RAF other ranks

Military history: Aviation / Culture / British / European / World War I / World War II / Cold War

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion not met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military aviation task force
	Military culture, traditions, and heraldry task force
	British military history task force
	European military history task force
	World War I task force
	World War II task force
	Cold War task force (c. 1945 – c. 1989)

United Kingdom Mid‑importance

	United Kingdom portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Daily pageviews of this article

A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org

Missing rank & NATO codes[edit]

Since the revamp of this article, there are two possible problems I've noticied. The rank of Junior Technician is missing, as seen here: http://www.raf.mod.uk/organisation/noncommissioned.cfm . It was listed on an older version of the site and was listed under OR-3. Also I think the NATO codes need looking into. Before the change, RAF ranks started at OR-2 in line with both the Navy and the Army. --Anacdahudee (talk) 16:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

as mentioned on the Juinor Tech page, the Junior Tech rank is being phased out as of 2005. Perhaps an updated rank should be featured on the JT page and a note on this here but I see little reason to include it in the ranks listed on this page. 129.67.48.20 (talk) 12:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WW2 sergeant pilots?[edit]

Through the years I have seen numerious references to a WW2 RAF title named "Sergeant Pilot". From the numerious references here in Wiki (do a search), I have to assume that it was a rank or possibly a job description. Can anybody clarify this title? It would improve the article if information could be included. The subject may rate it's own article. --TGC55 (talk) 02:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lance Corporal[edit]

Can someone who knows how please edit the table to include the new OR-3 rank of Lance Corporal (regiment only)Jellyfish dave (talk) 12:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Senior aircraftman technician[edit]

The article on Senior aircraftman technician says it's an OR-3 rank but this article lists it under OR-2. Can someone who knows how change this?--Boreas74 ^{You'll catch more flies with honey} 17:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Put rank tables in 4 groups[edit]

The combined rank tables are confusing as they might suggest that an airman can go from the rank of lance corporal to eventually become a chief technician. Just because the RAF website only shows 2 separate tables does not mean it should be replicated here.

Table 1 non-technical groundcrew: Aircraftman - leading aircraftman - senior aircraftman - corporal - sergeant - flight sergeant - warrant officer.

Table 2 technical groundcrew: As table 1 plus - senior aircraftman technician - chief technician.

Table 3 RAF Regiment: As table 1 plus - lance corporal.

Table 4 aircrew: Sergeant aircrew - flight sergeant aircrew - master aircrew. (Maybe add aircrew cadet, if still in use.)

Adding the CAS warrant officer is optional for all tables.

Given the large number of tables on this page for all the changes to ranks over the history of the RAF, the current ones could at least be shown in these different tables. Just a suggestion, for clarity purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.53.177 (talk) 05:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect ranks displayed[edit]

Both on this page and the main page for the Royal Air Force, the table for other rank insignia shows Air Specialist (Class 1) Technician Air Specialist (Class 1) Air Specialist (Class 2), no such ranks exist in the RAF. The table should instead show Senior Aircraftman (Technician), Senior Aircraftman and Leading Aircraftman with their corresponding rank insignia respectively. Please can this be amended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.105.170 (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

178.78.105.170 An internal briefing Notice (IBN) within the RAF stated that from the 1 July 2022, all ranks with the term Aircraftman were not gender neutral, and would be changed to Air Specialist and Variants thereof. The current change is too early, and frankly, uncited. The joy of all things (talk) 06:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SAC(T) Rank[edit]

The SAC(T) rank was introduced well before the 2005 date currently cited. I joined in 2000 and achieved this rank in 2001-2002. I was on approximately the 16th Trade Training course which had this progression so I think it was introduced around 1998-1999 and probably first awarded in 2000. The cited 2005 change I suspect refers to when remaining SACs who signed up under the previous (JT) system could no longer be promoted to JT and instead started being sent on Assimilation training to be awarded SAC(T). I don't have references for this but can speak from personal experience. 185.13.50.211 (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]