Talk:Ralph Harris, Baron Harris of High Cross

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A fact from Ralph Harris, Baron Harris of High Cross appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 October 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that British free market economist Ralph Harris, considered to be an architect of Thatcherism, became a life peer shortly after Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister, but sat on the cross-benches in the House of Lords to show his political independence?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/October.

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attempting to disambiguate a number of different Ralph Harris(s)
there are 3 known (along with the homophonically similar "Rolf Harris" - user:xsxex

xsxex - good job, thank you. When I first read that Ralph Harris had died I immediately thought of Rolph Harris! Roaming27 00:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

It would be useful tp have a source on the Theory of the Moral Sentiments, since its relevance to Thatcherism is even more douvtful than The Wealth of Nations.

While I'm here, does anyone care to explain how "beacons" is neutral language? Septentrionalis 05:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The sources indicate that Smith's works are relevant to Harris, which is what this article is about, if not Thatcherism (he did not consider himself a "Thatcherite", although others thought that Thatcherism was built on foundations that Harris had laid). Have you read the obituaries cited in the references section? The Guardian obit says that "Harris's own bible was Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations and its predecessor, The Theory of Moral Sentiments", and the Telegraph says that Harris considered himself a "radical reactionary", and "upheld the moral and political straightforwardness advocated by Adam Smith". Feel free to add some inline citations if you wish, but this article is quite well sourced by the references already listed.

Can you explain what is POV about "beacon"? A beacon is simply a signal (usually a fire or light) that can be seen from a distance - is being a beacon necessarily a good or bad thing? If "beacon" is POV, I'm not sure that "bastion" is any better. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Bastions" is the best I could come up with while retaining the line of thought; it seems less inherently positive. I'm sure it can be replaced by something actually neutral, and preferably not from the "steel glaive" school of metaphor.

Thank you for the citations. This is one of the situations which is discussed at length in formulating policy. We have three things here:

A: Harris's thought
B: (Austrian-school) Free market economics.
C: Smith's Wealth and Moral Sentiments

We have citations for "A depends on B" and "A depends on C"; both doubtless true. The article, in condensing these, has come close to saying "B = C", which is debateable for the Wealth of Nations and probably false for the Theory of the Moral Sentiments, simply because it says so much less about economics at all.

Unfortunately, I know B and C much better than A, so I am reluctant to rewrite further. Septentrionalis 16:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I think the arms are from the Telegraph. Septentrionalis 05:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

conversation with Harris and Seldon[edit]

The link seems down but there's PDF at http://www.iea.org.uk/files/upld-book395pdf?.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]