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Tours[edit]

Should I put up a tours section. It could list upcoming and previous tour with the name of the tour and the countries it covered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.36.77 (talk) 23:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mojo is not an indie label, it is a subsidiary of Universal. Boo!
  • Scott Klopfenstein it listed on the right section as a band member, but not on the left under "Members". I'd link it, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about his position in the band (I think he does trumpet and backup vocals.)
  • hey guys, just to let you know: reel big fish continued their 'shout it loud'-tour in australia with less than jake and streetlight manifesto - not as you say in the article just by themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.184.126 (talk) 07:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Female vocalist[edit]

Who do they use for female vocals? e.g. "she has a girlfriend now" Graldensblud 20:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes a girl from another band will accompany them; eg Monique Powell from Save Ferris did it back in the 90s. Other times, Scott just makes his voice go really high. Dac 22:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The original female vocals on Turn the Radio Off were by Aaron Barrett's then girlfriend, Gwen Stefani. Supposedly there was a bad breakup, which led to many references in future songs of his dislike for her (We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful, "And when they're No Doubt that makes it even worse". Unfortunately I don't know the reference for all this, but I believe the band has a blog or history somewhere with this information, because I know I heard it from the band. Darkage7 03:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about, there was never any relationship. Barett has gone on record a few times saying he made anything about him and Stefani up as a joke. Dac 08:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow, I feel stupid. Dang. But that poses the question of why do they make fun of No Doubt? Anyone know? Darkage7 19:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's not so much actively making fun of them, just poking fun at them. They don't go out of their way to do it. And to answer your question, it's essentially after they toured together in the late-90's just before the release of Why Do They Rock So Hard? they just have a joking sort of relationship with No Doubt. I gather there's no actual hostility. Dac 22:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

The last sentence of the introductory paragraph seems POV (In the elitist "That's not real ska" sense), as the band itself, its fans, and many others identify it as a ska or ska-punk band. Thoughts? —Casey J. Morris 11:17, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

I think it seems a little POV.

I'd consider them ska-punk, they have all the attributes you'd associate with the genre. plus riding on the coat-tails of 90's ska popularity - they've been around since before the peak, and even so that peak wasn't exactly huge. Not really worth trying to ride on the coat-tails of anyway. :P

Choice of langage

should the word fucking be with spirtiral adviser


DVD's[edit]

Live at House Of Blues DVD Added a DVD section in discography, included "Live at the House of Blues" and "Our Live Album is Better..." Would be great if we could get an article on "Live at the House Of Blues" for further information on the DVD.

Update Got the link in for the House of Blues taping


How bout a pic? I'd put one up, but I couldn't say with confidence whether it was current given all the line up changes.

Lineup Aaron Barrett, Scott Klopfenstein, Tyler Jones, Carlos De La Garza, Dan Regan, Matt Wong

Favourite Noise[edit]

There is no reference to this 'greatest hits' compilation. Why? Is this the album they hate?Mightymouseman (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Favorite Noise isn't a greatest hits album, as far as I know. It was just released abroad. The album they hate is "greatest hits and more"... because jive isn't paying them for using their songs. Darkage7 (talk) 22:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're All In This Together/Our Live Album Is Better Than Your Live Album[edit]

You're All In This Together is the DVD.

Our Live Album Is Better Than Your Live Album is the two disk cd.

Trust me, I own two copies of the DVD (one personally given by the band) and one copy of the cd set.

stop changing it.

-thanks (any questions, email to ajgoff@gmail.com, and include Reel Big Fish in your subject line)


Until today, I thought this band and Phish were one in the same.

Cover Songs Overhaul[edit]

The cover songs section was messy as Hell, I overhauled it with links galore and exactly where each song appeared. I'm aware that a couple more exist ("Rock It With I" on Cheer Up! for example, which I have forgotten who originally performed) so if anyone can help out that'd be just cracking. I left off the Rave Master theme "Rave-o-lution" (as it is an original song as far as I can tell, not a cover) although I feel that it should be mentioned elsewhere in the article.

MartyHol 4th January 2007 03:55 (GMT)

Just added "Rave-o-lution" to the compilations section. So scratch that. Why aren't I asleep?
MartyHol 4th January 2007 04:26 (GMT)
Since you've overhauled them, is that segment in the opening paragraph about covers really necessary? Dac 00:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I hope not, because the opening paragraph in general offends my eyes. I was going to have a play with it and see what worked best, I've just been somewhat busy recently. Please do remove it if you have more time than I do!
MartyHol 6th January 2007 20:25 (GMT)
"but the band has many other trademark songs like "Beer", "She Has a Girlfriend Now", "Good Thing", and "Everything Sucks" (to name a few). The band is also known for their numerous cover songs, which include a-Ha's "Take On Me," Lita Ford's "Kiss Me Deadly", Frank Sinatra's "New York, New York," Tracy Chapman's "Talkin' Bout a Revolution", The Cure's "Boys Don't Cry", and Social Distortion's "Story of My Life". In addition, Reel Big Fish enjoys playing live shows in which they perform one or more of their songs, usually "S.R." in many various styles, possibly for the effect of showing the versatility of the song, appealing to different musical interests, or displaying their talent in different styles. Their music is often comedic, with names like "She has a Girlfriend Now" and "Your Guts (I Hate 'Em)"."
What does that last sentence even mean? In my opinion this entire section of the opening paragraph is poorly written and mostly superfluous. The "S.R." bit could go in either DVD article, if anywhere.
MartyHol 6th January 2007 20:28 (GMT)
Reworking done, what d'you think? Dac 21:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks much better! Good stuff. MartyHol 7th January 2007 12:34 (GMT)
Sigh. To whoever added them: I personally think that 'other covers' that have not been officially recorded pretty much constitutes unverifiable information. Thus, I left them off. Is Average Man a cover? If so, find out who originally performed it and it can be added as it is an official recording (featured on the UK Where Have You Been? CD single, if nowhere else). MartyHol 2nd February 2007 07:22 (GMT)

Other projects?[edit]

can you really consider some of the ones listed other band MEMBER projects? some of them involve the whole band, such as BASEketball and the one about the anime.


Cover Songs[edit]

"It is a common misconception that Reel Big Fish have recorded a ska-punk version of the song Hotel California by The Eagles. The song in question is actually performed by the band SkaDaddyZ."

It's a common misconception by most people with only a half-arsed interest in third wave ska that pretty much every single cover found on Limewire, Morpheus, Kazaa, et al is recorded by either Reel Big Fish or Less Than Jake. Lyric sites confirm these misconceptions quite adequately, and I don't think this article would benefit from a list of songs that "People believe to have been recorded by Reel Big Fish, when in all actuality it very obviously hasn't." Seriously. I don't understand how people can mistake Aaron Barrett's voice.

Regardless, the cover songs section clearly states that it is a list of "...all known cover songs officially recorded by Reel Big Fish." This should nullify the need for a list of songs that aren't recordings of Reel Big Fish. Yeah?

MartyHol 27th May 2007 13:29 (GMT)

I'll agree with that. There's no need for any songs not recorded by them. Dac 23:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, only sourced, confirmed info should go in.++aviper2k7++ 03:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about songs covered live? They performed the first verse and chorus of Enter Sandman by Metallica last night in Bournemouth, UK, with Scott singing. Earlier in the show they also played the riff of Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin, but that was only momentarily.

This unfortunately constitutes 'original research'. Yes, if you're a 'Fish fan then you'll know that they play MANY more covers live... but this section lists only the official, verifiable recordings. MartyHol 1st June 2007 13:59 (GMT)

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Jive[edit]

What was RBF's relation to Jive, and Jive's relation to Mojo (if any)? The first time Jive even comes up in the article is the sentence saying that they dropped RBF. 71.82.214.160 05:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, Jive bought out Mojo back around 1999-2000. The career section of this article is very poor, and could stand a substantial rewrite. Tdogg241 16:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cd's trilogy about being a band?[edit]

Someone recently removed a section about Reel Big Fish's first three album being a sort of trilogy of the struggles of being a band, saying it was OR. While I fully agree that that was the correct action, I don't think it's OR. Can anyone find a reference for this information? I think it was on RBF's about section of their website, but I'm not sure. Darkage7 15:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it for being OR, but if this is something official, I think it would make a great addition to the site. If someone can find a source, by all means add it back. Snowfire51 16:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I found the source for that and added Barrett's quote into the History section. Michael 134.84.96.142 22:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good job! Looks good up there. Snowfire51 22:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Main article: Reel Big Fish discography[edit]

Hey everyone, awesome work with all the RBF compilations, covers, etc! Do you think we should make a separate discography article? We've definitely got enough material. The section would contain the Discography, Multiple Titled Songs, and Cover songs. In the main article we would keep the Studio albums and probably the Live one too. Michael 134.84.96.142 00:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you agree a source listing RBF as post-grunge and alternative pop is a bad source...[edit]

Please speak out here [1]. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Hoponpop69 18:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A larger conversation on this has opened up here.[2] Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 03:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1994 Demo[edit]

I'm 100% certain that the 1994 demo is not titled "Return of the Mullet". It's actually self-titled (i.e. "Reel Big Fish") I own a copy of this demo tape, and there is no mention of "Return of the Mullet" anywhere on the tape or on the liner notes. I'm just interested if there is a contrart source to this, becaus as far as I know, it's self-titled.

In addition, the liner notes also list, under additional musicians:

various screams, "ohs, and "ahs": Ed Kampwurth, Shauna Gearhart, Monica Bumatay (I don't know if this is relevant or not, but it seemed worthwhile to mention.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.7.195.225 (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed[edit]

Reel Big Fish in popular culture

  • The band appear in the film BASEketball performing "Beer" and "Take On Me". Included on the BASEketball DVD is their music video of the latter.[citation needed]- I've rented the DVD and can in fact confirm that the music video is on there.
  • Reel Big Fish performed the song "Snap, Crackle, Punk, Pop" in late 2004 for a Rice Krispies commercial.[citation needed] - In a radio interview for DJ Rossstar's Punk Rock Show, that confirmed that they were, in fact, the ones that did the song.
The DVD info, as released to the public and uncontroversial info, doesn't need the tag; I removed it before and will continue to do so if it is re-added. As for the other two, we may need a link to the episode and interview in question. Dac (talk) 10:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

popular culture section[edit]

Moving here for potential discussion:

  • The band appear in the film BASEketball performing "Beer" and "Take On Me". Included on the BASEketball DVD is their music video of the latter.
→Move this to the Baseketball article or article on the film's soundtrack if there is one. Since "Take on Me" is probably the band's 2nd-biggest hit, it's definitely worth mentioning in the history section, and of course this should be listed in their discography.
→These are all more pertinent to the albums these songs are from, so move them there.
  • Their song "Don't Start a Band" can be heard in the song D.A.N.C.E. by Justice (although it is hard to hear). In the music video with the extended intro for the song, it is playing on a radio.[citation needed]
→Move to Don't Start a Band, We're Not Happy 'til You're Not Happy, or simply to the article on the Justice album.
  • Reel Big Fish performed the song "Snap, Crackle, Pop, Punk" in late 2004 for a Rice Krispies commercial.[citation needed]
→Move to the history section and/or the discography if a reference is found, otherwise delete.
  • Aaron Barrett appears in the video for the Suburban Legends song "Come Back Home" for a few seconds where he is dressed as Elvis Presley. [1]
→Move to Aaron Barrett, find a better reference (youtube is generally not considered a reliable source, especially when it comes to copyrighted material like music videos as they are usually hosting them without permission).
→Move to Waterman (series) if a reference is found, otherwise delete. Possibly make a "Television appearances" section in this article in which this & other such appearances can be explained in prose rather than as a trivia list.
  • The songs "The Kids Don't Like It" and "I Want Your Girlfriend To Be My Girlfriend too" from Why Do They Rock So Hard? appeared in the game Dead Or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.
→Move to Why Do They Rock So Hard? or the DOAXBV article.
  • CBS has used the song "Good Thing" and a cover of the song "A-W-E-S-O-M-E" on advertisements for their various lineups.[citation needed]
→Delete if no reference is found, otherwise move to We're Not Happy 'til You're Not Happy.
  • The Philadelphia Flyers, among other teams, play "Sell Out" whenever there is a sell out crowd at the Wachovia Center.
  • The My Name Is Earl Season 3 finale plays "Sell Out" in one scene.
→Move to Sell Out (song) if references are found, otherwise delete.
  • Their song "I Want Your Girlfriend to be My Girlfriend Too" can be heard in the trailer of the movie Slackers, though the song is not heard in the movie or on the soundtrack.
  • Their song "I'm Cool" appeared in Episode 12, Season 2 of Dawson's Creek.
→Move to Why Do They Rock So Hard? or delete if no references are found.
  • Their song "Trendy" was the official theme song of the Florida Marlins baseball team.
→Move to Turn the Radio Off or delete if no references are found.

Most of these are uncited and trivial. How do the other regular editors feel? Wisdom89 (T / C) 07:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The BASEketball and Florida Marlins ones ought to stay, but the rest can go, too trivial. Dac (talk) 08:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm noting some suggestions under the individual items about what might be done with them --IllaZilla (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iDpGRuyn6k

Why does it say they're a punk band?[edit]

Reel Big Fish aren't really a punk band are they? They don't seem angry enough and they've never struck me as being anti-establishment or particularly rebellious. They seem like they just want to have fun and entertain people. When I listen to their music, I get the impression they want the people who listen to it to enjoy it. They don't seem like they want to shock people who disagree with them, and isn't that what punk's all about? Ash Loomis (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Their music is most commonly referred to as "ska punk", which blends ska rhythms and guitar lines with punk tempos and attitudes. Many bands in the third wave of ska are also referred to as "ska punk" because the two genres were very closely bridged at the time. For comparison see Mustard Plug, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Link 80, and The Suicide Machines. I'm sure that any reviews of Reel Big Fish that you read will probably mention punk or ska punk in some form. This article could really use referencing for that, though. They frequently refer to themselves as "ska punk", for example on the live album. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that they have a ska influnece, and some punk inspired vocals and guitar, but do they have the punk attitude? I don't think so. Ash Loomis (talk) 01:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm incorrect, the article doesn't say anywhere that they're a "punk" band. It mentions "ska punk", which certanily fits, but not just "punk", which they're obviously not since they're primarily a 3rd wave ska act. So I really don't see the problem. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I brought this up is that they're currently in the American punk rock groups category; I'm going to remove them. I'm fine with calling them third wave ska or ska punk, but punk alone is something very different. Ash Loomis (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't notice that. I totally support removing that category. --IllaZilla (talk) 03:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Reel Big Fish 2009 Tour[edit]

Reel Big Fish has announced via their MySpace and website that they'll be touring the US in January '09, and Europe later in the year. Someone add this onto the article...but make it more 'official' sounding? --ZacLOL (talk) 22:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New RBF Album: Fame, Fortune and Fornication[edit]

http://blog[DOT]myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=11034452&blogID=442487573

Its the only way they can give press releases. So there ya go. 68.96.90.83 (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the only way they can give out press releases. There are many other ways: via the record label, via music magazines/sites such as Alternative Press and Punknews.org, etc. etc. However, now that they actually do have a Myspace blog post about it, then yes we can mention it & cite it. Previously they had only mentioned it in a bulletin post, which isn't citeable. It's actually better to cite a third-party source, since Wikipedia prohibits linking to Myspace blogs directly. I'm sure AP or punknews will pick up the story within the next couple of days, but until then we can cite their myspace. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Aaron Barrett related to Dicky Barrett of The Mighty Mighty Bosstones (a band of the same music genre)?[edit]

Anyone? if not then we need to at least state that he inst so someone like me doesn't ask again lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.134.213 (talk) 05:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, no relation. We don't need to state it. We would state it if they were related; not stating it means, by default, that they're not. It would be a waste of time to go around to every article about a famous person who has the same last name as another famous person, adding "(no relation to ____)", even if they are in the same field/genre. We expect people to use some common sense and realize that, if no relation is mentioned, there probably is no relation. Same deal with Tim Armstrong and Billie Joe Armstrong. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Founding members[edit]

There needs to be a founding members article on Reel Big Fish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.179.156.166 (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A separate article? No, there doesn't. It wouldn't meet notability requirements. Anyway, all the founding members are already mentioned in this article. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Klopfenstein[edit]

Regarding the recent edits claiming that Klopfenstein has left the band: They are all based on this news post from The Aquabats, saying "We were even there for Scott from RBF's last show in PERTH!!" This is being interpreted by editors to mean that Klopfenstein has left RBF, but the source doesn't actually say that. None of the band's news outlets (Myspace, Facebook, Twitter) mention him leaving the band as of this writing, in fact their Myspace & Twitter still list him as a member. Until either the band announces something or a third-party source confirms it, claiming that Klopfenstein's left the band based on the 1 sentence in the Aquabats' news post is pure speculation. It is quite possible that it was simply his last show of the tour; as sometimes band members aren't able to do all legs of a tour (ie. when they need to go home to be with family). Sometimes members only do part of a tour, or the band uses substitutes (when I saw them on Warped Tour this past summer, for example, they had a substitute drummer filling in for Steen, who wasn't able to do the tour). RBF have tours lined up for the US, UK, & Europe starting in January; one would think that a longtime member like Klopfenstein quitting the band would merit some sort of announcement on the band's part, but there's been none. If a source comes up that specifically confirms that he's left the band, fine, but basing this claim on 1 sentence in the Aquabats' news post that isn't clear is speculation. Wikipedia isn't the news, we don't have to be "first on the scene" in reporting gossip that pops up on the internets. We can wait for better sources to appear before we start making these claims. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will not revert these changes again, as I don't want this to turn into an edit-war, but I respectfully ask that we simply wait for a better, more informative source to be available to support these claims. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just go onto the Reel Big Fish Website. As of january 19 there is still a letter written by scott explaining why he is leaving the band due to wanting to spend time with his baby on the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irock440 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since my initial post the news has been reported in several primary & secondary sources, and the article explains the event & cites those sources. Note that my comment is now over a month old; the problem has since resolved itself. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reel Big Fish are "best known for" Sell Out?[edit]

I removed a clause from the lede that claimed RBF are "best known for" Sell Out, because I don't think that's accurate. On Last.fm, Beer is their most popular song of all time (as of me writing this on 20th Feb 2020): see here. Also, the page for Beer claims that Beer is "the band's most downloaded song". I haven't checked the citation for that because apparently it's from Reel Big Fish's live DVD, which I don't have. In any case, Sell Out can't really be called the song they're "best known for" if a different song (Beer) is, by some metrics, their most popular. I think the reality is that they probably have three songs they're best known for (Beer, Sell Out, Take on Me). You could possibly mention in the lede instead that Sell Out is their best-charting song, but is that really needed in the lede? I think that would only be relevant in the lede if the band were a one-hit wonder, but I don't think that's the case for RBF. A lot of people like a lot of their songs. Do others agree with me on this? CyclingFan1234 (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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