Talk:Rob Sand

A fact from Rob Sand appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Iowa state auditor Rob Sand modeled in Milan and Paris while he was in college?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Rob Sand

... that Iowa State Auditor Rob Sand (pictured) modeled menswear in Milan and Paris when he was in college? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that Rob Sand (pictured), a Democratic Party state auditor, developed a government efficiency program that was copied by a Republican? Source: [2]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emma Dean Powell
- Comment: He's up for reelection on November 8. What's our rule for how many days we consider needed for pre-election embargoes?

5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 17:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Can you please confirm if a 5x expansion has been done here? I'm using DYKcheck here and it says expansion started on March 23, 2021 rather than in August 2022. Otherwise, I didn't find any close paraphrasing and a QPQ has been provided. The original hook is probably the best option here; the Milan part is cited inline and verified, but the Paris part needs a reference. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And just to clarify the above rule, the "no election candidates on DYK" rule only kicks in 30 days before an election. So as long as the article runs before October that should be fine. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Narutolovehinata5, pre-expansion had 916 bytes. Right now, it's 5196, for 5.67x. On March 23, 2021, someone added some POV content sourced to a tweet that I reverted in the next edit, but it got the page up to 1093 bytes. Since DYKcheck includes that, I'd need to get this up to 5465 bytes, so a couple more sentences. Paris is sourced to the NYT piece that also cites the following sentence in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:20, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited it up to 5339 characters and DYKcheck approves it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ – Muboshgu (talk) 02:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYK, any sentence that mentions a hook fact needs to have a footnote, even if the information is already cited to a source in a subsequent sentence. The sentence that mentions Paris doesn't have a footnote, and given that the Paris mention is a hook fact, it needs a footnote for DYK purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still think that rule is a bit ridiculous given that the source is on the next sentence, but fine, it's double cited now. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (jumping in). I'm not sure that it's quite the best thing to characterize an award ceremony as a government efficiency program like is done in the alt hook. If we're going to go with the alt, I'd propose a revision:

Alt 2: ... that Democrat Rob Sand (pictured), the Iowa State Auditor, developed an awards program for fiscally efficiency in government that was later copied by a Mississippi Republican? Source: <https://www.vicksburgpost.com/2022/02/02/guest-column-new-award-honors-good-efficient-government/>

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We're probably good to go with the original hook here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]