Talk:Robert Catesby/GA1
GA Review[edit]
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Reviewer: Nikkimaria (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status. My review should be posted shortly. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- Doing... - review in progress, will finish in the morning. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- All things considered, I'm going to pass this as a GA now - consider the below comments as suggestions for further improvement. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Writing and formatting[edit]
- "He was shot, and later found dead, clutching a picture of the Virgin Mary. His body was later exhumed, and, as a warning to others, his head exhibited outside Parliament." - phrasing seems a bit awkward here, especially the repeated "later"
- Reworded slightly. I'm pretty happy with the factual content of the article, but it does need another read-through and a copyedit before I take it to FAC. This was one of the few awkward bits that needed doing.
- "college noted for its Catholic intake" - what does "intake" refer to here? Catholic ideas, Catholic funds, Catholic teachings, Catholic students, Catholic teachers?
- Almost certainly students and teachers, but since the source doesn't elaborate then neither will I.
- "daughter of the Sir Thomas Leigh of Stoneleigh in Warwickshire" - is "the" needed here?
- Typo, gone.
- When you say that Catesby reverted to Catholicism after being a Church Papist, what is the implication here? If he was already Catholic (as your note suggests), then how can he "revert" to Catholicism? Did he begin openly practicing Catholicism?
- Most of Catesby's thoughts and feelings at that time are, I think, speculation. Sources tread lightly around the subject, but it seems that he was probably Catholic and then married into a Protestant family. Whether or not he gave up his Catholicism is unknown (but unlikely), chances are being a Protestant was just a handy way of keeping the government off his back. I don't know a better word than "reverted", can you suggest one? As in "stopped pretending to be a Proddie."
- "Shortly after he discovered that his wife had been sent a rosary from the pope however" - phrasing is a bit awkward, perhaps begin with "However,"?
- Not a fan of however at the start of sentences, I think its ok as it is.
- "Percy was reported to have had a "wild youth" before his conversion" - meaning a conversion to Catholicism? Might want to specify
- Reworded.
- Should link Low Countries, as American readers especially will likely be unfamiliar with the term
- Linked.
- Was Catesby's address to Thomas an invitation or a summons? Those words have different connotations
- Its probably the former but the source uses the latter, I think to imply that Catesby could be quite commanding.
- "Two months later[nb 6] Catesby recruited his servant, Thomas Bates, into the plot,[34] after the latter accidentally became aware of it,[33] and by March 1605 three more were admitted; Thomas Wintour's brother, Robert, John Grant, and John Wright's brother, Christopher." - sentence is a bit long, especially with the notes mid-stream. Also, semi-colon should probably be a colon
- Agree on the semicolon but I think the length is fine.
- "He decided that the letter was too vague to constitute any meaningful threat to the plan, and decided to forge ahead" - repetitive "decided"
- Reworded.
- "Late on Monday 4 November...Late that night" - repetitive
- Reworded
- "at about 6:00 pm that evening" - this would be 5 November? The last date you mentioned was 4 November; though the date is implied, it could be clearer
- Reworded to clarify
- 36 went to Hewell Grange? The text accounts for no more than 10 conspirators on this journey; who are the others?
- A motley band of supporters, mostly Digby's men I think. Will check tomorrow.
- "Rookwood. Catesby and Percy were reportedly dropped by the same lucky shot, while stood near the door" - I'm not sure what this means - were they "standing" near the door?
- Yes, changed to standing.
- Catesby was exhumed, but when/where was he buried before that?
Accuracy and verifiability[edit]
- Ref 1 also needs subscription
- No Fraser 1999 in bibliography
- Ref 62: formatting
- No Haynes 1999 in bibliography
- Ref 44 is misspelled
- Web link for ref 1 says published 2004 - does the subscriber version say otherwise?
- ODNB refs should all have the same formatting
- Use publisher name instead of URL - for example, publisher for ref 18 should be BBC
Broad[edit]
- Perhaps mention that he sheltered priests, in particular Gerard?
- Struggling to find the sources for that, what I have just hints at it.
- If you're going to say that Wintour fought for England in the Low Countries, you need a bit more contextualization - even just a couple of wikilinks or a "during x battle / x war / x campaign"
Neutrality[edit]
No issues noted
Stability[edit]
No issues noted