Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix

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Point of View[edit]

The statement, "Olmsted chose to live in simple quarters at the Cathedral rectory, which fits his style of simplicity," is made without citing any reference, and it may reflect a sycophantic view of the Catholic church. Its accuracy is further called into question by the fact that Olmsted was not the immediate successor of Thomas O'Brien. For six months after O'Brien resigned in disgrace, the Archbishop of Santa Fe served as apostolic administrator of the diocese, and O'Brien was permitted to remain in the Bishop's residence. Absent further clarification, and the ability to cite a credible neutral source, the article should be limited to stating that Olmsted lives in the cathedral rectory and that O'Brien, the disgraced former bishop, lives in the bishop's residence.John Paul Parks (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have moved the information out of the lede paragraph, where it did not belong in the first place. Elizium23 (talk) 17:23, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs cleanup[edit]

This article needs some cleanup. The historical information should be put in chronological order and most of the lists should be deleted.

  • Wikipedia is not a directory; it is not a soapbox; it is not an indiscriminate collection of information: see WP:NOT . Bistropha (talk) 03:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bistropha: are you referring to the lists of parishes, and schools, etc? Because I am looking at quite a few Filipino diocese articles that could use a slimming-down. Could we somewhere hammer out an ironclad consensus that parish and school lists do not have a place in diocesan articles, per WP:NOT? Elizium23 (talk) 06:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Bistropha (talk) 01:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request, 4 January 2020[edit]

Please remove this archaic and sexist practice from the section "Notable incidents". I would also submit that the policy in question is not an "incident" and you might want to consider renaming the section to something (I have no idea what) that might encompass both the murder of a priest and the traditional employment of altar boys (which, some editors seem to think, are equally atrocious). Elizium23 (talk) 06:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's safe to say that you've been here long enough to know that words like archaic and sexist are such an obvious violation of WP:NPOV that introducing them into a Wikipedia article would unambiguously constitute vandalism (inasmuch as the attempt to introduce them is an attempt at publically disparaging the church, which is the definition of vandalism[a]) and that removing them would not be considered outside the bounds of point #1 of WP:COIU. I urge you to WP:BEBOLD with regards to the need to address the statement in question, and if anyone questions you, you may use this reply and the diff of the addition of said text as your justification for action. The question of calling it a "notable incident" is not as clear and should be left alone, since as you say, you have no resolution to propose for it anyway. Regards,  Spintendo  19:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The IP address used for that edit has a history of vandalism edits in which arbitrary disparagements were added to articles.--Bistropha (talk) 00:41, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Edited. I reorganized a few short sections into one on "events since 2000", which might ultimately be placed within a History section. I dropped the NPOV item, really a complaint about one parish. Bistropha (talk) 01:13, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ This is vandalism in that it deliberately intends to obstruct or defeat one of the project's purposes, which is the presentation of a neutral point of view. Whether the diocese is archaic or sexist is not the issue: it is against Wikipedia policy to use Wikipedia's voice to call them this. WP:VANDALISM states that anyone who edits without regard to core content policies such as neutral point of view is committing vandalism by obstructing the project's purpose.

Flag[edit]

@Jdcompguy: per WP:INFOBOXFLAGS flags are not included in infoboxes. Elizium23 (talk) 01:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Elizium23: I had seen lots of diocesan articles with flags in the infobox, and was unaware that this was improper. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Jdcompguy (talk) 01:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Elizium23: I took a closer look at the policy page. It says, "Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes. However, physical geographic articles – for example, continents, islands, mountains, valleys, rivers, lakes, swamps, etc. – should not." Wouldn't a diocese be considered a "human geographic" region, and therefore be permitted to have a flag in its infobox? Jdcompguy (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, don't really know for sure. It would probably be a good idea to ask a noticeboard or a MOS page for consensus. Elizium23 (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021 Latin Church revision[edit]

As of July 2021, this article was modified to eliminate the nondescript term "Roman Catholic" in favor of the more precise distinction of "Latin Church" (the sui iuris church) and "Catholic Church" (the denomination). If you believe this edit to be in error or improper, please make the relevant reversion and open discussion on this talk page or my personal talk page. Thank you. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:19, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid baptisms[edit]

We learn thousands of baptisms performed by Fr. Arango are invalid because he used the word “we” instead of “I”. If this is just not a crock of ……. ! This is the mentality of those who argued about the number of angels who could dance on the head of a pin. Pitiful. BTW I spent 15 years furthering my education at Catholic institutions. 2601:284:4102:A80:1877:F44:56D1:49FE (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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