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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Looks like a very well done article to me. A shame it's had to wait a month. I'll review this for you!--NØ 15:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest adding alt text for the cover, especially if you plan an FAC with the article eventually.
Done
The label name, Atlantic Records, only occurs in the infobox currently. This should be sourced and present in the article body, and ideally in the lead as well.
Done
There's a general consensus (WP:SINGLE?) that a music video release date should not be used as a single's release date. The May 23 release to Alternative radio should be used instead, as well as incorporated and sourced in the article body.
Done
The first sentence of the lead's second paragraph should use the song name again
Done
I believe references should generally be avoided in the lead section, maybe considering paraphrasing the direct quotes
Done
"Williams has said that the song is "about how I'm always late to everything",[2] and that it was influenced by" - You should remove the comma in this part.
Done
"Critics have afforded the song and its music video positive reviews and noted that the song addresses time management and anxiety themes." - I'm not sure "afforded" is the right word here, maybe "Critics have positively reviewed the song and its music video"?
Done
"She also stated that writing about "mundane thing[s]" had "kept [her] from getting all deep and dark", but that "expanding on those feelings ..." - I believe this part shouldn't have a comma either. This is a nice essay to refer about this.
Done (I think both are correct but I don't care enough to argue the point).
"Critics have noted that the song deals with "relatable" themes of time management and anxiety" - Direct quotes should be attributed to the specific critic
Done
WERS seems to be a college's radio station and thus definitely an unreliable source.
I disagree. It's being quoted as a music review, not for a factual assertion. Additionally, WERS has professional management, and thus likely has sufficient editorial standards.
I don't think the current caption for the Westwood picture works, try "Vivienne Westwood (pictured speaking in 2011) influenced the song's music video"
Done
Start the first sentences in both the Music video and Critical reception sections by using the song's full name
Done
"a vibrantly colored world where the time-related anxieties she sings about in the song don't necessarily disappear" - This bit should probably be paraphrased but if you decide to keep the quote from Larisha Paul, add attribution here
Added attribution and kept quote
You should include wikilinks for Nirvana and the Smashing Pumpkins
Done
Nice work already having the references formatted according to MOS:CONFORMTITLE, however the "of" in the song name should be lowercase in all the ref titles.
Done
Happy to put this On hold until all of the concerns are addressed!--NØ 16:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MaranoFan - Just a note: voorts is on holiday right now. You'll probably have to wait until the 22nd to get a response. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for informing. I'll count the seven-day period within which everything should be addressed from the 22nd onwards.--NØ 16:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to bring this to FAC and was wondering if you have any feedback for that as well. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for addressing everything, voorts. The article seems to be ready for GA status, other than WERS, which is definitely an unreliable source, still being here. I'll leave some pointers for FAC in the section below!--NØ 07:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I really apologize for repeating myself, but WERS will not pass an FAC source review. The page you have linked above also seems to discuss the staff and leadership primarily as students.
The songwriting credits should appear in the Background section. The ref should then be removed from the lead.
Someone could raise questions about the structure of the lead section. Since the Background and Composition sections occur before the Music video section in the article, details corresponding to them should occur before the latter in the lead too.
The background section should begin with a short paragraph chronicling what happened before the song's release. A few bits about the album maybe, or the prior singles.
The chart entries should be presented somewhere in the prose. In this article, I would say, probably at the end of the Background and release section.
Here are the credits and personnel for this song. From my experience, FAC reviewers strongly prefer these be incorporated both in a dedicated Credits and personnel section as well as earlier in the prose.
Credits and personnel
Phil Danyew, Programmer - MANNY MARROQUIN, Mixer - Hayley Williams, Vocals - Paramore, Writer, MainArtist - Taylor York, Programmer - Zac Farro, Programmer - Scott Moore, AssistantEngineer - Carlos de la Garza, Producer - Kyle McAulay, AssistantEngineer - Patrick Kehrier, AssistantEngineer - Anthony Vilchis, Assistant Mixer - Trey Station, Assistant Mixer - Harriet Tam, Engineer - Emerson Mancini, Masterer - Zach Pereya, Assistant Mixer
I think the other sources you have used are fine.
Try to paraphrase as many direct quotes as you can. Make sure you have used all reviews available from reliable, secondary sources as comprehensiveness is part of the FA criteria. Also make sure there is a thematic organization to the Critical reception section.
There have been times in the past where editors thought an article was ready for an FAC just because I passed its GA review. I would just like to note that that is not the case and there is a huge difference between the criterias for both of these. Although, these pointers should be a good place to start!--NØ 07:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Should the credits for the music video be included in the article as well? voorts (talk/contributions) 23:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's just the song credits, usually.--NØ 05:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That works for sure, I still reduced the current picture so it also didn't conflate into the next section as would have preferred it to be contained. It all looks a lot better with informative information as well. You've done a good job, it's a great article. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 19:03, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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@Voorts: No problems here. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:13, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
On hold until all of the concerns are addressed!--NØ 16:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
