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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I propose moving the page back to its original name. Another editor moved it without consensus and through talk page discussions will not budge. Therefore we need some community consensus. If no consensus is found during this discussion, then the page should be moved back to its original name. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Move as nominator. Ryan Johnson was born in Jamaica, but moved to the US as an infant and went to school here and currently plays for a major US soccer team. The page mover has decided that because he has played for the Jamaican national team and holds Jamaican citizenship, the article should be named and written with respect to the British spellings and vocabulary used in Jamaica. I disagree because he is also American. Immigrants don't randomly use the spellings of where they came from when they are long time American citizens. Also, he's only played a handful of games for the Jamaican national team while he plays full time in the US. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Per WP:TIES, this article should be at whichever term Mr. Johnson uses himself if this information is available. If for example he used the term football during TV and/or newspaper interviews this article should stay where it is, whereas if he used soccer it should be moved. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing that he's lived in the US since he was an infant, I see no reason why he wouldn't call it soccer. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We need evidence though, not your guesses. Skinsmoke (talk) 20:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's sourced in the article. The only guessing is that he would call it football. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's the point though, isn't it? You're proposing a move on the grounds that you're guessing he uses soccer rather than football. Your guess isn't good enough to justify a move. Skinsmoke (talk) 11:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The first move was made without consensus last week, there was no proof for that, so I want to move it back to its original name. This isn't just a random move based on my personal beliefs. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leave it where it is :For God's sake. Does it really matter that much? He's both a footballer and a soccer player. Surely you have more important things to do on here than argue about something as monumentally trivial as this. --JonBroxton (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Move: "Soccer" has no ambiguity, and is entirely recognisable in Jamaica as it is in the US, while for a large proportion of the eaders of an article about a player based in the US, "football" is at best ambiguous, and probably misleading. Sensible redirects and disambiguation pages will mean that it is not difficult for anyone to find the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE (talk • contribs)
Oppose He is certainly a footballer, but he is not a soccer. If you think soccer should be in the title, it should be a move to Ryan Johnson (soccer player). Skinsmoke (talk) 20:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok fine use that, but the page should go back to its original naming type, meaning some use of soccer. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with that; per WP:ENGVAR it probably shouldn't have been changed without discussion in the first place if at all controversial. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
