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Protection[edit]

I'm not sure why, but the article's been the subject of a relatively high level of vandalism over the past few days so has been semi-protected for a week. This means that unregistered editors and new accounts will not be able to edit the article, but are welcome to make suggestions for changes here. Nev1 (talk) 00:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence[edit]

"In 1317 King Edward II granted the manor of Sandal to Lord d'Amory as a reward for his services at the Battle of Bannockburn." I can find no evidence for this in either Butler or Walker's books so I will leave it here in case someone else can.--J3Mrs (talk) 20:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible I suppose, although pastscape draws a blank. I'll see if I can get a copy of Sandal Castle, Wakefield: the history and archaeology of a medieval castle. Nev1 (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for offering but I have both books here in front of me! I think it's wrong, apparently the castle was attacked in 1317 by Thomas Lancaster, I'm not 100% certain but I think he was Duke of Clarence. I've put a ref for what I found from Wakefield Council's site which is a heavy user of Walker's History. The Sandal Castle stuff is sprinkled all over the place in the Walker and I'm still trying to sort it out. :-) --J3Mrs (talk) 20:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William Plantagenet Warenne and Edward III?[edit]

The second paragraph in the history section states that William Plantagenet Warenne, the 6th Earl of Surrey, supported his cousin King John until 1216, at which time he switched his allegiance to Edward III.

Edward III wasn't born until 1327.

Warenne presumably participated in the First Barons' War, attempting to place Louis of France on the English throne; or the reference relates to Henry III assuming the English throne in October 1216, at the age of 9, after his father died.

Most of my English history library is still in boxes - can anyone shed some light here?

tbird (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have substituted Henry for Edward. Probably my mistake. --J3Mrs (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plan[edit]

The plan used here looks early 20th century, perhaps if details of where it was first published could be found it could be used in the article. Nev1 (talk) 13:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The plan is based on the 1893 excavation plan by J.W. Walker who died in 1953. The original plan is a plate in "Wakefield, its History and People" by Dr Walker.--J3Mrs (talk) 14:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requires inline references
More photographs would help

Keith D 10:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 10:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 05:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Butler reference[edit]

The Lawrence Butler reference has a year of 1991 while the short Harv links to it have a year of 1966. Which is correct or is there a missing reference? Keith D (talk) 22:16, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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