Talk:Sarasota Chalk Festival

Removal of images diminishes this article

The following images from the article that were removed have explicit relevance to certain portions of the article about the Sarasota Chalk Festival and deserve consideration as providing additional information to clarify aspects of the article as text alone can not.

File:2011bk1cover 83d40m SarasotaChalkFestival.jpg The image of the cover of a souvenir book published by the mother organization of the chalk festival, Avenida de Colores, Inc., clarifies its role as it accompanied and introduced the transition of the chalk festival into an international event. At that time it became the first international street painting festival in the United States, the cover of the publication illustrates graphically the nature and quality of the work presented at the festival. It also provides an understanding of the physical scale of the artwork produced by the performing artists and an appreciation of the skills needed to complete such artwork in a limited period of time, under unusual circumstances, on pavement rather than on prepared, conventional surfaces that facilitate the creation of artwork. The publication provides examples of the artwork performed by the artists invited to participate and biographical information about them as well as information on the historical background of the art. Images of this cover have been distributed widely and freely to promote the festival by its publisher, without concern for proprietary use, in fact, as promotional and informative material. An explicit request was made by this editor to keep this image local.

File:The Observer 83d40m chalkfestival2012 guide cover.PNG The relevance and information provided by inclusion of the image of the cover of a free forty-page guide to the ten-day festival created by the publisher of several local newspapers that provides a map of the 2012 festival, a timeline for its events, articles featuring most of the special events, documentation of donors and volunteers, as well as a history of the festival and the street art it presents is important for this article. It is most useful for further information that was provided to our readers on this topic because of a link provided in the caption, leading directly to the publication, that is stimulated by the attractiveness of the image. This free publication was made available in the Sarasota Observer, at many local stores and venues throughout the county, at the offices of the festival, and it was handed to attendees as they entered the festival gates as well as at refreshment and souvenir sales booths among the artworks on the street. The Observer is a newspaper that is distributed for free at newsstands, museums, libraries, government offices, stores, and sidewalk literature boxes in neighborhoods throughout the county. Additionally, covering the circus, which is deeply associated with Sarasota, details about the history of the community are provided to our readers, who may access the publication and leaf through it to learn a great deal more about the artwork, the artists, and the community that was home to the circus. The stature quickly gained in the community by the festival is understood better by the inclusion of this graphic, which was produced without cost to the festival, as a benefit for the large crowds attracted to the community for the event. Distributed freely, there was no attempt to limit the use of the publication to proprietary uses. An explicit request was made by this editor to keep this image local.

File:2013 Sarasota chalk festival 83d40m official poster .png The 2013 poster demonstrates even greater importance of the festival in the community, by virtue of it being invited by a major philanthropic organization in Sarasota to participate in a year-long celebration of a theme honoring veterans, inspiring patriotism, and embracing freedom that would culminate in the dedication of a major addition of facilities donated by the foundation to the nearby federal cemetery. The invitation of the festival to participate in the celebration serves to show how the festival can be integrated into projects of regional importance. The concentration of veterans in the Sarasota area are among the highest in the nation, making the relevance to great numbers in the community. The novelty of the design of this poster is remarkable for a chalk festival, making the image especially informative to our readers about the unusual relationship of the festival to the partnership with the charitable foundation and the theme of its year-long celebration. Distributed freely and displayed publicly for promotion, there is no proprietary intention to restrict use of this image. An explicit request was made by this editor to keep this image local.

File:RosieTheRiveter.jpg The magazine cover from 1943 of Rosie the Riveter displays graphically the scope of the theme of the 2013 festival and the foundation celebration by drawing the contributions and activities of all members of the culture into the effort to protect the country. It makes our readers understand the scope of the theme by showing that patriots are not necessarily soldiers fighting in wars, but the legions of citizens who abandoned normal lifestyles to contribute to the war effort. The conveyance of this type of information to generations born after the historical events of the culture yields a much deeper understanding of the reality of the events. It also advances better understanding of the role many women in the United States played to enable the smooth continuation of the industrial complex that kept up the operations necessary for a modern army and a complex industry maintaining the needs of a large country. Such change in roles was practically a worldwide phenomenon, given the number of countries participating in WWII. The impact of such images on the status of women would be realized later as their roles in western society changed quickly in the decades following the war. This image has become iconographic and ubiquitous, long ago loosing conventional proprietary status. With a single glance, it conveys cultural information to readers that would take paragraphs to explain and it should not be restricted from our coverage of this topic.

When dealing with a festival of artwork, images may convey a great deal of additional information that is unobtainable without them. They have a special importance to such topics. There always are exceptions to rules. In this case, rigid and blind adherence to rules governing typical articles does a disservice to our publication. Presenting relevant graphic materials to topics on visual arts should override restrictions normally applied to other subjects. This is the perfect example of where non-free, but freely distributed images, whose owners have abandoned proprietary conventions, ought to be used to enhance our publication and expand the education of our readers.

Leaving this article without images that reflect the achievements of this festival is like taking all of the images of modern sculpture away from the article on that topic, as with the fair use rationals such as that at Three Men Walking (q.v., File:ThreeMenWalkingII.JPG). These images need not be held to the standard for Wikimedia Commons, in fact, save for Rosie the Riveter, which was not uploaded by this editor, an explicit request was made to keep the other images local when they were uploaded.

My request for reversal of the unilateral decision by a novice editor without regard to relevance is reiterated. It certainly deserves thorough discussion by editors with experience in the arts and cultural events to make the encyclopedia achieve its highest potential rather than choosing to diminish it by clinging to the minimal interpretation of rigid rules. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 05:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

reinserting images _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 05:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

WP articles on visual art such as street art, graffiti, murals, and public arts have high concentrations of images. That is the nature of our articles on art. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Images removed again without comment or record here by the stealth editor (only footprints in the snow, curiously, no id; only record is an edit summary in history, didn't think that was kosher, but here your are!) stalking this article.

Altered my discussion above to provide the file names of the images being discussed.

The following is transcribed from talk elsewhere that is relevant. ... Stefan, this poster was part of the article,Sarasota Chalk Festival, and was among images deleted from that article by a new image editor. There is an unresolved discussion about the images. Should this image be retained until the differences are settled? If not, if found useful for another article or section of the initial article may it be reintroduced after a deletion? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

If the file is being discussed somewhere, then I agree that it would be disruptive to delete it. There was no indication that the file was in use when I found it. I see that it was used at Special:PermanentLink/566867170. --Stefan2 (talk) 01:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I made time to take the discussion further at the talk page for the festival and placed a copy of the images under discussion there so that they are visible, albeit very small. That also should prevent someone else from issuing another deletion warning. Thank you for your agreement on the need to retain this one image that could wind up without an article, until the discussion is completed. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 05:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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