Talk:Sarkis Lole

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Did you know... that Sarkis Lole, the Armenian chief architect of Mardin who constructed much of the early modern architecture of the city, never received any formal training and designed his buildings in the sand?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:32, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Old post office of Mardin

... that Sarkis Lole, the Armenian chief architect of Mardin who constructed much of the early modern architecture of the city, never received any formal training and designed his buildings in the sand? Source: [1] Wharton 2016, 127: “Concerning the legacy of the mimarbaşı of Mardin, Serkis Elyas Lole, it is clear from the memories of his living relatives, and of descendants of those who worked as part of his team that Lole was responsible for much of the architecture in the city. They attribute the majority of Mardin’s nineteenth-century mansions (konaks), churches, institutions, and even mosque repairs to Lole” and “Serkis is not known to have trained professionally and designed buildings by drawing in the sand”
- ALT1: ... that Ottoman Armenian architect Sarkis Lole was the chief architect of Mardin who constructed much of the early modern architecture of the city, such as the old post office (pictured)?^[1] Source: "The building, which was made built by Satana family to Armenian architect Lole in 1890 and is one of the finest examples of Mardin civil architecture" [2]; “Lole’s work include residential architecture such as the Șahtana house ... ”Wharton 2015, 95[3]

Created by TagaworShah (talk). Self-nominated at 05:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I would prefer the second hook because it ties nicely with the image (which is really pretty). VR _talk 14:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: Thank you for your review! I agree that his architectural works are really pretty and the second hook complements that best. Have a great day! TagaworShah (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TagaworShah: could the hooks please be cited inline in the article? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:56, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Hello! Sorry for responding so late. As far as I can see both of the hooks are cited inline in the article. The first one is cited in the body and the second one is cited in the lede and in the image caption. Please let me know if i’m missing something. Cheers. TagaworShah (talk) 07:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TagaworShah: the hook fact has to be cited right at the end of the sentence; normally, I'd do that myself, but since it's a book that I can't access, it falls on you to use the proper citation there. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 10:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Sorry for the confusion, i’m unfamiliar with the DYK process. I’ve now added a full citation at the end of the hook. TagaworShah (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the article, TagaworShah, in the article :) right at the end of the sentence. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 17:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I moved the citations in the article to the end of each claim. Cheers. TagaworShah (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Wharton, Alyson (2015). Gharipour Mohammad (ed.). Identity and Style: Armenian-Ottoman Churches in the Nineteenth Century. Vol. 3. Brill. p. 93. ISBN 978-90-04-28022-9. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P6 without image

Years[edit]

Immediately following the name in the beginning of the article, we should give his years, as far as possible. (b. - d., or fl., or whatever). The infobox has "19th - 20th century"; it must be possible to narrow it down?His promotion to chief architect after his father sounds like something where a dating can be found?--Nø (talk) 14:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nø: Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find any concrete dates surrounding Lole in reliable sources. Wharton who mentions the promotion to chief architect does not give a date. The only sourced time frame provided is late 18th to early 19th century. Outside of the sources, I’ve seen claims that him and his family fled sometime between 1915-1917 but have yet to find a source to back that up. Regards, TagaworShah (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Wharton, Alyson (2015). Gharipour Mohammad (ed.). Identity and Style: Armenian-Ottoman Churches in the Nineteenth Century. Vol. 3. Brill. p. 93. ISBN 978-90-04-28022-9. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

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