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Proposal: WikiProject Saturday Night Live

Saturday Night Live, and its subpages have progressed to such scope that I believe we should consider creating a WikiProject page. I have created a proposal, Wikipedia: WikiProject Saturday Night Live. Please leave comments, and consider signing up as a potential project member if you're interested!Mainly.generic (talk) 13:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Stock footage?

Where does SNL pull their stock footage from? Curvebill (talk) 16:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

NBC Terrestrial?

Is it necessary to classify NBC as a "terrestrial broadcast network"? It seems a little heavy-handed. Finwailin (talk) 16:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Films - sort doesn't work for some of the columns

Release date - sorts by the name of the month: April-December-Feb.. Worldwide gross also has a wrong sort. Kvsh5 (talk) 04:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Cable rights

Apparently Viacom has gained cable syndication rights for Saturday Night Live. VH1 (US) is airing a marathon at this moment. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 19:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Reason #58 (23 Oct 2010)

[1]--Milowent • talkblp-r 12:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

o conner tearing the popes picture

the article should say what the producer says about this in the introduction on the dvd. it seems that his actions would say that he doesnt believe in o'conners right to free speech. "with an introduction by show creator/executive producer Lorne Michaels about the incident" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.131.17 (talk) 07:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Sinead O' Conner

There should be public apologies for Ms. O'Conner for criticizing performance which included artistic talent which was treated just like some of the troubled folks out there in Vegas, and people defended Frank Sinatra instead. Comparable with Joan of Arc, and the Dauphin who abandoned Her, while no one else could defend Her either. SNL barrel of laughs for those who know not when to laugh. Backstabbers75.204.194.39 (talk) 09:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

International Versions

The show format has been exported to Italy, Spain, and Japan. It should be mentioned. Jigen III (talk) 07:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Already in process of making section. If anybody is reading this, can somebody find a source that shows the american version repeats in other countries. Water78 (talk) 21:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Just added a new section on cast member contract

I just added Saturday Night Live (season 25)#Contract, a new section based on Bogdanovich, Peter (August 11, 1999). "SNL's Killer Contract". The New York Observer. Check it out, in case there are other SNL articles which could be updated based on that citation. 67.101.6.45 (talk) 07:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Does someone know the host and musical guest for january 2012??

Does someone know the host and musical guest for january 2012?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SANLLE (talk • contribs) 22:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Episode's articles

Can someone do an article of each episode? because when I do one, someone keeps on redirecting it to another page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teen13USA (talk • contribs) 23:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey there, some people (including myself) who look over recent changes made to articles have been reverting the changes you have made regarding SNL episodes. It has been decided, like many television shows, that individual episodes are included within a list (either a list for one season or the whole show). A synopsis and pertinent information is given here. Having individual articles for hundreds or thousands of episodes for shows would be extremely inconvenient for those looking to read about them. There's also the thought of notability to consider: Is every episode of SNL notable (And therefore requiring a separate article)? If so, would that make every episode of every show notable? There are websites that are designed with that purpose in mind: provide every detail of every episode for readers - like IMDB. Hope that clears it up! --Tymun (Contact Me - Contribs) 23:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I think you're right.--Teen13USA (talk) 00:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Opening Summary

Maybe I am wrong and I fine to admit it, but I do not think the opening should be filled with info that is not necessary. I believe the opening should be just a quick summary, not all this info on who was in the cast and such.

Explain you stance. Water78 (talk) 02 January 2012 (UTC)

Explain my stance? Perhaps you should have discussed this and explained your stance before undoing my work? Do you think that would have been more acceptable way to deal with it? Lead's are meant to summarize the content of the article and can be 4 paragraphs, see Spider-Man. The history and cast are part of the article and thus part of the summary, that is why it is the article summary and not the article selective information. And you keep moving the history of SNL template despite the fact that it is obviously creating a big chunk of white space by doing so. Now I'm going to put it back as it was, I don't expect you to do this a third time before you explain why an article summary should not summarize the article. If you disagree with the content, rewrite it, but it is meant to be there. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I am sorry if I caused any anger or frustration. I did not exactly explain myself very clearly, I apologize for that. I only have one issue with your edit to the summary. This paragraph:
Lorne left the series in 1980 to explore other opportunities, and he was replaced by Jean Doumanian who led the show to disastrous reviews and was replaced by Ebersol after one season. Ebersol continued to run the show until 1985, when Michaels returned and where he has remained since. Many of SNL's cast found national stardom while appearing on the show and achieved success in film and television, both in front of and behind the camera. In particular, SNL has helped launch the careers of Tina Fey, Chevy Chase, Eddie Murphy, Dan Aykroyd, John Belushi, Jon Lovitz, Jimmy Fallon, Bill Murray, Will Ferrell, and Amy Poehler. Additionally others associated with the show such as writers have gone on to successful careers, including: Conan O'Brien, Al Franken, Sarah Silverman, Max Brooks, and Stephen Colbert.
Now I feel as though this paragraph makes the "Development" article sound redundant. With the whole explanation of how power shifted from Lorne to Jean than to Ebersol. But I see what you mean, it's just a quick explanation which eventually leads to a full history of what happened. Okay, I'll take the hit on that one.
I'll just shut up now and let you continue to edit and fix up the page, hahaha you obviously have a better understand of how things like this work then me. I would also like to say I liked your edits to the writers page. I like the how the head writer is now formally showcased.

Water78 (talk) 02 January 2012 (UTC)

I apologise for somewhat losing my temper. I appreciate the input. If the opening is not satisfactory it is open for editing, I don't claim it is perfect, but it does have suitable content for an article this large. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 02:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Conan O'Brien quote

Quick question: Why was the Conan O'Brien quote on this page deleted? Was it not relevant to the article? Was it not substantial? Maybe if we delete Conan's quote we should get rid of Tina's as well. 69.86.150.243 (talk) 18:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I deleted the Conan quote because it wasn't fitting well and it talks exclusively about Lorne Michaels rather than the show, it'd be fine on the Michaels article but not really here. I am willing to discuss the Fey quote but I thought it was more relevant as it actually references the show and the impact in bringing attention to one of the more successful former cast members. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Cast in the lede

I tihnk this needs to discuss because it was meant to be a brief, BRIEF, summary of notable cast and it's become an issue with people adding their favorite cast member instead. At the moment there are twelve names. I think thats too many but its a nice even number. Can we at least agree on enforcing a maximum of twelve names there? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree and would argue for excising the whole sentence that includes the list. Almost any cast member could be included, and I don't see any point in deciding arbitrarily on who will be included, or a number that can be included. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I think rewording it would be a positive step, I think that the lede is a summary of the content therein and highlighting some of the notable cast who impacted its history is important (only in my opinoon). Murray and Belushi are obvious defining of a particular era and considered responsible for its success, Murphy is credited with essentially saving teh show from cancellation. So perhaps replacing that sentence entirely with something more specific might be the way to go. EDIT Certainl I'd drop the "Helped launch the careers" part altogether because that is definitely the source of dispute. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Possible alternatve:

Michaels left the series in 1980 to explore other opportunities, and he was replaced by Jean Doumanian who led the show to disastrous reviews and was replaced by Ebersol after one season. Ebersol continued to run the show until 1985, when Michaels returned and where he has remained since. Many of SNL's cast found national stardom while appearing on the show and achieved success in film and television, both in front of and behind the camera. Additionally others associated with the show such as writers have gone on to successful careers creating, writing or starring in TV and film.

Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd say no cast in the lede, other than to mention that there have been many casts over the years, varying in size. No other details, either. IMHO --Lexein (talk) 23:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Bias/inaccuracy note

The article notes that Tina Fey blatantly endorsed Hillary Clinton. However, according to her book Bossypants, "It was meant to be about genderpolitics, not actual politics. What came out was an overt Hillary Clinton endorsement. It wasn't that I didn't like Mrs. Clinton as a candidate; it's just that Weekend Update features are written so hastily."[1] Therefore, this article is inaccurate. What could be inserted is that it "came out" as an endorsement, but was not intended to be. :)

Are you talking about "However in the Democratic presidential primary campaign, Hillary Clinton received more favorable treatment than Barack Obama. During the campaign Fey famously quipped about the then-Senator that "bitches get stuff done" and that "bitch is the new black." [132]"? I don't read that as an endorsement, blatantly or otherwise, it says she was treated better than Obama. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 02:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Paula Pell

Its been over five years since the article on co-head writer Paula Pell was deleted for lack of notability. Any interest in taking another stab at creating an article about her? I just wikified a few more references to her in existing articles so the red link list is now even longer. Here's a recent interview, which among other details notes her work as producer on This Is Forty:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/heresthething/2012/nov/26/transcript/

64.126.86.214 (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts on splitting off "Merchandise" section?

I'm interested in expanding this article again, having had time to read more of Tom Shales book, and I look at certain things which draw focus away from the show and it's behind the scenes aspects, merchandise is one of those things. I was thinking of splitting that into a separate article and then merging List of Saturday Night Live DVD releases into that, which will allow those segments to receive expansion and greater focus while creating room to expand the main article here. Any thoughts? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Longest running variety series?

By general consensus, a variety series is a program that combines comedy sequences with music and other material. SNL certainly has filled that bill over the decades. As such, shouldn't it be labeled the longest-running variety series in American TV history? The Tonight Show has run longer, of course, however it is not a variety series - it is a talk show, which is a different animal. Or maybe there's some locally broadcast show that has run longer? If a longer-running UK series can't be found maybe we can even say longest-running English-language variety series? (Again, something like Top of the Pops would not be considered a variety series under the accepted definition.) 68.146.70.124 (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The Tonight Show is considered a talk/variety show. --Musdan77 (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes

I don't know how to edit the navboxes, but I noticed "This is Spinal Tap" included as a SNL film. It looks like the band appeared on the show at the time or release to promote the film. It seems misleading to include it in a list of films based on sketches. 203.214.144.242 (talk) 02:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

You click the "E" in the top left corner of the box. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 09:19, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Firing, banned from appearing/hosting, Jay Mohr's deleted bartender sketch

  • Wasn't an actress fired a season or two ago because she said "fuck"? Did it get bleeped/blanked out in the broadcast? After it happened she wrote about it on the web. Who was the actress?
  • Also, Chevy Chase is banned from hosting. Note that he hasn't hosted since 1997. He appears occasionally (like the Candy-Gram shark popping up on Weekend Update a few years ago) but is banned from hosting because of repeated sexual harassment of female co-stars. A lot of people think Sinead O'Connor is banned from the show, but she actually isn't. There needs to be a section discussing banned/temporarily banned entertainers. "That's hearsay, blah blah blah" Not if you can source it! It needs to be in the article.
  • Sometime during Jay Mohr's tenure he did a sketch where he played a grumpy, short-tempered Irish bartender. The first broadcast contained the sketch but after the show aired Mohr was confronted by producers and asked where he got the sketch idea, Mohr stated he made it up, and he was then shown a video tape of a famous (I forget who) comedian doing the routine as part of their act. Mohr told the story on Loveline and said the segment was deleted from the episode after the initial broadcast. Does anyone remember this? --98.246.156.76 (talk) 22:06, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Other Incidents edit

Two things I think should be changed. (I don't know exactly how Wikipedia editing works, so I thought I would make a comment here instead of changing it myself.) First, there's something wrong with the formatting of the second incident w/r/t the bank Fear. Also, it is not clear what exactly occurred. This should be clarified. Second, w/r/t the Wayne's World/Chelsea Clinton incident, I don't think there should be a link to the "Erection" page from "Shwing!" It is a strange and link I think and took my by surprise. Instead, it could just say "a reference to an erection" and have no link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.89.110.34 (talk) 09:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

..... What??? --98.246.156.76 (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Dupe references

These references are identical. Why are you undoing my merge of them? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:06, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Sawalich, William (2010-02-23). "Mary Ellen Matthews: It's Saturday Night!". Digital Photo Pro. Retrieved 2011-04-19.
  • Sawalich, William (2010-02-23). "Mary Ellen Matthews: It's Saturday Night!". Digital Photo Pro. Retrieved 2011-04-19.
Thanks.

Sasheer Zamata

There is a clear consensus, that this sentence should be in the article. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is a debate over whether the addition of Sasheer Zamata to the cast is notable enough for the main article. Someone keeps deleting it. Please state your opinions here. This is the first time external pressure was applied to add someone mid-season. The RFC is to determine if the single sentence should be removed or should it stay. Are the references sufficient to allow it to stay. Or should the article only mention that auditions took place and not mention the person who was hired. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Citation needed for external pressure forcing this hire. People complain about both the show not being funny and not being diverse every single season. The source you added, the Daily Mail, is a notoriously unreliable source and even that says that they don't usually add cast mid season, but the addition or departure of cast not on a set schedule is not a notable aspect of a 30 year old show's brief historical overview. The new addition is not the first black cast member, the first female cast member or the first black female cast member, she is yet to appear on the show, yet to become notable, she is, at present, a nobody, and her relevance to the show's history is non-existent, I wouldn't even mention Meyers leaving in that section and he's been in the show for 11 years running its major recurring sketch, and his leaving was always intended to be boosted by a replacement. Add her info to the respective season article, but the criticism over diversity is neither new, or notable. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Firsts are for the Guinness Book of World Records, this is an encyclopedia. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
  • If you think the Daily Mail is unreliable, please work to have it blacklisted. But do not remove references to it ad hoc because you believe that it is. There is a whole forum in Wikipedia devoted to blacklisting sources from Wikipedia. Bring your argument there. Until then we have to assume that the source is correct. I know you feel that it is incorrect, and if you can get them to print a retraction then the reference should be removed or emended. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The purpose of WP: BRD is htat your edit is contested, and it is being discussed. You are not meant to just put it back when it is clearly contested and being discussed. You've asked for input. You know this is the case. It does not belong in the cast section, it is a brief overview of the major cast developments, it would belong in the Development section at BEST, NOT with the source you provided and not with the clearly bias wording you are using in pursuit of a particularly bias agenda plus falsified information. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Since you have the power to read minds, what is my agenda? Also, BRD is an essay and essays do not trump Wikipedia policy. If you want to remove properly referenced material you are the one that needs to get consensus, once someone contests your removal. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
You have deleted it three times without discussing it at the talk page. It seems you personally do not think it is notable, despite the overwhelming number of references to the event in Variety, Rolling Stone, and other news outlets, and me rewriting it to address your concerns. So the obligation is for you to explain why you are overriding the verifiable references to delete it, not the other way around. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
It was explained every time. She is not notable and her hiring is not notable. I have added mention of the surrounding incident to the Development section where it belonged and where I told you it belonged before you re-added it yet again while discussion was ongoing. She herself is not a notable aspect of the very brief overview of notable cast members of a thirty+ year old show, you can and probably already have added it to the individual season article, where space exists for such expansion. The show is criticized over diversity every year -> Diversity! Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Notability is determined by references, not by personal opinions. The truth you feel in your heart, that she is not notable, is not the same as the verifiable references that say she is notable and her hiring is a notable event. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The situation is notable, she is not, she is a nobody who hasn't even appeared on the show and does not require specifically mentioning yet you have reverted this yet again in violation of this ongoing discussion to push your clearly bias agenda to promote this individual who is individually unnotable within the context of this article. The coverage I added was broad and sufficient and you have replaced it with your promotional and inaccurate content again. The references cover the situation, that they mention her does not make her notable, it makes her able to go in the list of cast members, this is an article about the show, not an article about your pet favorite. You've both ignored that diversity issues are not unique to the show and the guideline that just because something can be referenced, does not mean it belongs. I can source that Eddie Murphy's career slumped after his initial post-SNL success, but it would not belong here. You have also reverted an acceptable compromise version which mentions the situation and only the situation with two verifiable sources, you've ignored the proposal to expand on the situation in the correct article, the one pertaining to this particular season. You're only interested in getting your way and pushing your bias agenda. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I have moved the information to the development section at your request as a compromise. If she is not notable, please work to have her Wikipedia page deleted. You can start that discussion on her talk page. You never told me, what is my agenda? She is not my "pet favorite", I never heard of her before you deleted her name from the article. Concerning "You have also reverted an acceptable compromise version" that version only mentioned auditions. My references show that she was hired. Because you are arguing notability, I have added several references where one would have sufficed. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, you showed that there has been diversity criticism in the past. But as my references point out this is the first time someone was added mid-season to address that issue. As you point out, others may have been hired mid season to replace people that quit, but you have not provided references for that, and it still does not negate that news outlets have found it notable and cite that reason in the article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Your agenda is to promote her since you insist on highlighting her as the individual over the situation, her being hired for a job does not make her notable, nor is it my job to spend my time having unnotable articles deleted. The compromise version mentioned auditions because that is what the references say is notable, and it is, that they auditioned specifically for minority women cast members. Her being hired is not notable, she is not the first black, female or black female cast member and as of yet she is a complete and utter nobody apparently notable for getting a job. People create articles for just-announced SNL cast members all the time, it does not make it correct practice. But her having an article would in no way justify the bias WP: NPOV way you have thrust her into this article. What other minor cast members are randomly mentioned in this way? None of the new cast members are named in the article beyond the cast list, there are many members of the show who are not mentioned in the article, the only notable aspect of the situation is the specific audition targeting to hire, not the resulting hire. You deleted a perfectly acceptable version and think its acceptable to paste like 6 references in there all saying nothing about her, because there is nothing to say, beyond that she is the result of a targeted auditioning process. I haven't provided references that say someone was meant to be added to replace Seth Meyers? Oh how funny you should say that. But then you'd have had to have read the reference to know that, instead of just copy pasting your disputed content over the NPOV version. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Your argument is that the hiring is not notable because you feel so passionately about it. The only way I can argue that it is notable, is by adding more references. External media make things notable, or not notable, not how we personally feel about an event. See truthiness. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Being able to add references does not make something belong in an article, all these things you keep saying have been explained and refuted, your attempts to undermine my stance by implying there is some personal emotion involved, ignoring the WP: NPOV guideline, and the WP: BRD guideline that were both presented to you WELL before you edit warred your way to get the content how you wanted it prove you are not acting either logically or in good faith, and your only consideration is to push this particular agenda ignoring the clear and sensible compromise that was provided, violating WP: 3RR to reinsert your contested version again, because you were both afraid to discuss it, and afraid that discussion would not favor you. You can add 50 references, she as an individual is not notable in the context of this article, she is mentioned with the same weight as the rest of the new additions, in that she appears on a list where she belongs until she becomes retroactively notable like every other cast member that is mentioned in this article. The only notable aspect is the circumstance of her hiring, not that she herself was hired. So explain why you need to mention her when so many otherwise famous SNL alums are not, do so while attempting to make me believe that it is not part of a personal agenda on your part. Also feel free to explain why you felt you needed to not wait for the outcome of this discussion and had to violate WP: 3RR to do so. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Please refrain from personal comments directed at other editors. Discussion should be about the edits and relevant Wikipedia policies, not unsubstantiated accusations of a personal nature. Further comments along these lines will be redacted. Gamaliel (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Outside opinion here. This is clearly significant in the history of the show. Support inclusion. Gamaliel (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
What is significant @Gamaliel:? Because the OP's question is in no way clear, and reading it seems deliberately misworded. The event WAS included, the OP insisted on name dropping the individual, who is herself unnotable, both as cast and within the context of this article that is focused on the broader aspects of the show. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
If her hiring is significant, then her name should be mentioned as well. Gamaliel (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Her hiring isn't significant, she's like any other generic cast member, the purpose of the audition is the only significant part, she was of a handful of people auditioning, the same as any other of the 140+ cast members, and neither the first black or female cast member. There is nothing notable about her in the context of this show, she hasn't even appeared ON the show, and was one of several finalists. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Support inclusion of the sentence. I am uninvolved, having never edited here nor knowing any of the editors involved in this article. The information is well sourced and readers seeking information here will be able to find it and go to the new cast member's Wikipedia article from there. Agree with Gamaliel that this is reasonably significant in the show's history. Also agree with his warning regarding personal accusations. Jusdafax 05:24, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Support inclusion of the sentence, although not necessarily its placement, because it looks very weird and suggests that nothing notable happened to the show between 1997 and 2014. And looking at the article more, I'm not totally sure the delineation of most of the content in the "Development" and "Cast" sections makes sense. But, in any case, I think the circumstances leading to Zamata's hiring are significant enough to warrant mention in an overview of the show's history, and I can't see any reason to exclude her name. Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:58, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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Praise and Criticism

Hey, I just edited one of the sections to be now Praise and Criticism. If anybody is interested, I need some help finding some articles on the show's reception. I was also thinking of making a cultural impact section. Tell me what you think. Water78 (talk) 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I would be all for a "cultural impact" section. Shoot me a message if you need any help, I might be able to assist. StewdioMACK (talk) 09:55, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

conflicting information in two articles

The article currently states that Lorne Michaels "later refused to allow SNL musician Paul Shaffer to participate in The Blues Brothers (1980) with Aykroyd and Belushi after they left in 1979 to pursue film careers".

But in the article for Paul Shaffer it says:

Shaffer occasionally teamed up with the Not Ready for Prime-Time Players off the show as well, including work on Gilda Radner's highly successful Broadway show and as the musical director for John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd whenever they recorded or performed as The Blues Brothers. Shaffer was to appear in the duo's 1980 film, but, as he revealed in October 2009 on CBS Sunday Morning, Belushi dropped him from the project. In a memo to fellow SNL colleagues, Belushi said that he was unhappy that Shaffer was spending so much time on a studio record for Radner. Belushi said that he had tried to talk Shaffer out of working on the album in the first place in order to avoid sharing Shaffer's talents with another SNL-related project.[4]

So was it Michaels or Belushi that kept him from being in that film? Dream Focus 06:47, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Controversy/Criticism Section

Personally, I think having this section, with is very subjective, in the main article is a problem. Better to move it to a new page, where it can be elaborated on (like adding the "f-bomb" incident from a couple episodes back. The main reason I bring this up is that having the information in this main article makes people focus more on Rage in the Machine, rather than SNL. Mainly.generic (talk)

I agree. I'm gonna start such an article in my sandbox. StewdioMACK (talk) 08:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Okay, it's been separated into a new article, Saturday Night Live incidents. StewdioMACK Talk page 17:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

"Development"

Why does it end in 1997? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

New NEWS today, for future editing

At the bottom of the article herein there is "See also Hillary"; how will this news fit in? 

Headline-1: Donald Trump gives SNL its biggest ratings in years

QUOTE: "With Donald Trump hosting, Saturday Night Live jumped to its biggest overnight rating since 2012. According to NBC, SNL had a whopping 6.6 household rating on Saturday night, easily beating the season’s previous high: the 41st season premiere last month, hosted by Miley Cyrus and with a guest appearance by none other than … Hillary Clinton. In fact, Trump’s overnight rating was 47 percent higher than the Miley/Hillary episode.

The previous high was held by an episode that aired Jan. 7, 2012, hosted by Charles Barkley with musical guest Kelly Clarkson." -- AstroU (talk) 16:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for future editing.

This is a good recap of Trump hosting: http://www.ew.com/recap/saturday-night-live-season-41-episode-4
AstroU (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Parody & satire?

1. For detailed information beyond the Electoral effect section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Live#Electoral_effect , are there any articles on WP where I can find details of the political parodies and satires that were performed during each episode or at least each season? I'm going in circles following links.

2. The article seems to use "parody" and "satire" interchangeably, whereas I think alternates of the two genres were used. http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-parody-and-satire/

Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

The Barron-thing

I found an ok-ish source for it, so I added it to the Trump-SNL article: [2]. We'll see if it sticks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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Saturday Night Live or SNL?

I'm wondering if the show has always been referred to by the abbreviation SNL, or if it was something that came later?

As a rule I try to avoid using unnecessary abbreviations but I can see how in this article it could be boring and make the writing clunky if the abbreviation was not used. What I'm wondering if it is really appropriate to use the abbreviation SNL in other Wikipedia articles about people who were in the show in early years. If the show has always used the abbreviation SNL so be it, but if is in fact something that only came later it might make sense to use it less when talking about earlier aspects of the show or performers and writers from the show who went on to other things. -- 109.79.124.82 (talk) 06:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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The Upside Down

I saw a recent SNL episode. There was a particular movie,

, which had a place known by a reference but also coincided with another movie title. However, this was unknown to me until queried in a browser which listed a difference movie,

, with a higher search ranking than the one I had previously viewed with the location being lower in the list poss. in part due to the title. Furthermore, I am not sure where I googled[4] or yahoo!ed .(dot) com(munications?)[5] it using hypertext protocol on the World-Wide-Web [6]. Maybe, Jeeves[7] would know better.

How does one underline titles?2604:2000:E944:B500:1B6:73F3:7CFB:EBC1 (talk) 05:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)2604:2000:E944:B500:1B6:73F3:7CFB:EBC1 (talk) 04:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

significant National Lampoon origin of major acting talent and writers to founding of SNL

Debate is open - trivial or not?

"Several initial cast members (Belushi, Radner, Chase) and writers (O'Donoghue and Beatts) got their first major exposure prior to SNL with National Lampoon."

Belushi Radner and Chase formed THE foundation for SNL and they wouldn't have been noticed by Lornne if not for National Lampoon. Ditto for the writers. This was highlighted in the recent film A Futile and Stupid Gesture (film) which is based on the biography of Nat Lampoon cofounder by Josh Karp.

and then see this: "Kenney co-founded "National Lampoon" magazine in 1970 and wrote "Animal House" and "Caddyshack". He was therefore a pivotal figure in the late-70s/early-80s American comedy scene that gave birth to "Saturday Night Live" and the early careers of comic icons like Chevy Chase, Bill Murray and John Belushi." [3]

and this "Tony Hendra sees "Saturday Night Live" as a direct outcropping of "baby boomer" humor, with roots in such magazines as MAD and The National Lampoon (of which "Saturday Night Live" writer Michael O'Donoghue was once an editor); Punchlines: the violence of American humor.William Keough,Paragon House, 1990. Rsarlls (talk) 02:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Deleted material

The following info about Studio 8H had nothing to do with SNL. I've moved it here so that it could be incorporated into other, more relevant articles. I'm surprised there isn't a Studio 8H article, actually.

The first season finale of The Apprentice and the 5th anniversary special of Late Night with Conan O'Brien have used the studio for one night. Likewise, Later with Bob Costas, Love, Sidney, the 50th anniversary of television episode of Today in 1990, "House Party with Steve Doocy" and the 5th anniversary special of Late Night with David Letterman were broadcast from Studio 8H. Last Call with Carson Daly used the studio until 2005, when the show moved to Studio 9 at the NBC Studios in Burbank, California.

In May of 2002, NBC celebrated its 75th anniversary and used Studio 8H to shoot the live broadcast of the event. Lorne Michaels served as executive producer for the event

The studio was again used for the live parts of the season finale of "Celebrity Apprentice" on March 27, 2008.

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Chevy Chase criticises SNL

as written here. --2001:8003:4023:D900:C943:33BF:FDD3:533D (talk) 09:37, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Errors in Dates and facts about production equipment

The section that talks about 2014 production equipment such as Grass Valley 4000 production switcher and Sony BVP700 & 750 cameras, etc. is in error. All of the equipment mentioned for 2014 in the first two paragraphs is Standard definition gear from the 1990's and would have been old when they would have been replaced by new HD gear when SNL went to HD for 2005.

The date in both paragraphs could be 2004 instead of 2014. (or some other year before 2005 when SNL went HD and after about 1998 when this gear would have been new and state of the art)

Jim1966 (talk) 06:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Current season

AldezD, why did you delete my edits on the current season? This is a fact. Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 06:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

It was unsourced WP:OR. AldezD (talk) 12:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

The season being cancelled is not original research Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

This edit by you is unsourced. AldezD (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

You keep saying that but you’re not doing any research your self to add this information or better improve the article. You just want to delete my content. Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 17:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN is on you to include a source. AldezD (talk) 18:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

AldezD, on the same page that you sent me, it states that information which may be disputed needs a citation. I don’t see how the information I’m adding is disputable. It’s like arguing that the Olympics aren’t postponed, it’s not arguable. Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 18:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

You added content specifically referencing March 17, 2020 as the date production suspended, and there is no source in your edit showing this date. AldezD (talk) 19:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Mango (Saturday Night Live) for deletion

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Exactly 8.46 million viewers 5 years in a row?

The data for the show’s ratings seems statistically improbable. It had exactly 8.46 million viewers 5 consecutive years, and 6 of 7 years? Where is this data coming from? Mproud (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

"Disco Booty Junction" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Undue weight against Trump?

@Sundayclose: appears to have taken issue with my description of Trump's hosting of SNL in the edit history so I thought it would be constructive to begin a dialogue on the talk page. Sundayclose believes that mentioning that a Latino PAC offered $5000 for someone to disrupt Trump's hosting of SNL violates WP:WEIGHT. I'm guessing he means that by mentioning the means by which groups expressed opposition to Trump's SNL appearance gives undue weight to the anti-Trump perspective in this article.

I don't think mentioning the PAC's offer of $5000 to disruption of Trump's hosting is giving undue weight to the Anti-Trump perspective. Its a single clause in a very long article, almost all bar a single sentence is about Donald Trump. Furthermore, mentioning the $5000 offer simply is describing the means and methods of the opposition - no excessive description of why people dislike Trump. It must be said that a $5000 offer is a rather unique form of protest which impacted the SNL broadcast that week (see Larry David). Finally, I think describing the controversy is fairly important to understanding the trajectory of SNL over the Trump term as SNL has continued to attract controversy for its coverage of Trump (see the President's various comments regarding the matter). - Meangreenbeanmachine (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

To clarify with facts, I did not object to including the controversy related to the Latino PAC. The specific dollar amount is not relevant enough to lengthen the edit. The issue would have been the same if the PAC had offered $500 or $5000. The WP:WEIGHT issue is not the controversy or the PAC; it's the superfluous dollar amount of their offer. Sundayclose (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

"Saturday Night Live parodies of Joe Biden" listed at Redirects for discussion

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William Clotworthy

I recently created an article for long time SNL censor William Clotworthy who died this month. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Template:SNL Writers timeline

Hello, folks,

I work with expiring drafts and came across this one which contains a graph of SNL writers. I can't attest to the accuracy of it but I was wondering if information in this draft is something that could be used in an article. At first, I thought this was an image file but it's actually a graph. I'm not about to transfer it to List of Saturday Night Live writers but maybe the content can be reused (with attribution). I'd post a note on that article talk page but there has been no activity there for over 2 years. Without intervention, the page will be deleted in a week. Liz Read! Talk! 00:33, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

TV spinoffs section?

Coneheads spawned an animated TV special in 1983, while the MacGruber movie spun-off a TV series. The TV Funhouse segments also had their own Comedy Central series. Is it fair to call these spin-off of SNL and give them their own subsection? Our own articles on Coneheads and TV Funhouse refer to those projects, at least, as spin-offs of SNL. 23skidoo (talk) 18:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Chevy Chase vs cast subpage

So according to minute mark 4.09 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kFx-6JNxCc there was a long history of feuds between Chevy Chase and the rest of the 1975 to 1980 cast which has become the stuff of show business legend and there is no page on here expanding on that myth so I was wondering if someone here was interested in creating such a page to expand on the legend because I really want to know what happened behind the scenes between that cast aside from the fact that Chevy got into fisticuffs with bill Murray Kirbopher2004 (talk) 23:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

That wouldn't warrant a page, it'd be a section on Chase's article. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 23:25, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. Maybe if it became the subject of a movie or major event-media coverage, but this was primarily an in-house thing and if an article was done on this, then there may as well be a Chevy Chase vs producers of Community subpage or something like that. 23skidoo (talk) 18:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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  3. ^ The Upside Down
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  5. ^ Yahoo
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