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Oetosyrus ( Οἰτόσυρος [1]) is the name of a Scythian divinity.[2] Another name for the divinity, according to Hesychius,[3] is Goetosyrus.[4]

Qualities[edit]

Herodotus identified the god with Apollo.[2] SP Macleod states this is a god of crops and herbs, who defended against wild animals and diseases.[5] Oetosyrus is thought to have possibly represented the sun, that is to have been the Scythian sun god,[6][7][8][9] for one source, an italian manuscript, the god is identified with Mithra, the Persian sun-god.[10]

Worship[edit]

In acts of worship to this god, the Scythians would not have used any constructed thing such as temples or altars or statues, as is customary for that people except for in any case in worship of Ares (Herodotus in ref. Jacobson).[11]

Animal worship[edit]

With regards specifically to animal-worship, Rudenko (Russian: Руденко) cites Lappo-Danilevsky as considering the griffin to represent an attribute of Oetosyrus.[12]

Pantheon[edit]

Oetosyrus was not the head of the pantheon, its' position in the hierarchy and the roles accorded to the god exist solely from translations made by Greek sources.[13]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography (1854) (ed. William Smith, LLD) Perseus Project [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  2. ^ a b L Schmitz Ph.D. A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, Volume 3. J. Murray, 1873. Retrieved 2015-04-12.
  3. ^ John Jamieson. Hermes Scythicus: Or, The Radical Affinities of the Greek and Latin Languages to the Gothic: Illustrated from the Moeso-Gothic, Anglo-Saxon, Francic, Alemannie, Suio-Gothic, Icelandic Etc. To which is Prefixed, a Dissertation on the Historical Proofs of the Scythian Origin of the Greeks (p.107). Printed at the University Press, for Longman, Hurst, Rees, Orme, & Brown, London and Bell & Bradfute; Doig & Stirling; W. Blackwood; J. Anderson & Company; and Oliphant, Waugh and Innes, Edinburgh, 1814. Retrieved 2015-04-12.
  4. ^ EH Minns - Scythians and Greeks: A Survey of Ancient History and Archaeology on the North Coast of the Euxine from the Danube to the Caucasus (p.706) Cambridge University Press, 13 Jan 2011 (first published 1913) ISBN 1108024874 [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  5. ^ SP MacLeod (Studies through Harvard University) - The Divine Feminine in Ancient Europe: Goddesses, Sacred Women and the Origins of Western Culture (p.126) McFarland, 9 Dec 2013 ISBN 1476613923 [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  6. ^ Hugh Farmer - The General Prevalence of the Worship of Human Spirits, in the Antient Heathen Nations: Asserted and Proved (p.25) Galabin and Baker, 1783 [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  7. ^ SP Macleod - p.126
  8. ^ LA. Malcor - The Hittite Sword in the Stone: The Sword God and his Twelve Companions (note 4) The Heroic Age A Journal of Early Medieval Northwestern Europe Issue 15 (October 2012) [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  9. ^ Сергей Иванович Руденко - p.287-8
  10. ^ M Hrushevsʹkyĭ, A Poppe, M Skorupsky, F E. Sysyn, U M. Pasicznyk - History of Ukraine-Rus': From prehistory to the eleventh century (source is shown at the foot of the linked page) (Translated by M Skorupsky) Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies Press, 1997 ISBN 1895571197 [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  11. ^ E Jacobson (art historian at the University of Oregon) - The Deer Goddess of Ancient Siberia: A Study in the Ecology of Belief (p.215) BRILL, 1 Jan 1993 ISBN 9004096280 Volume 55 of Studies in the history of religions [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  12. ^ Сергей Иванович Руденко - Frozen Tombs of Siberia: The Pazyryk Burials of Iron Age Horsemen (p.287-88) University of California Press, 1970 ISBN 0520013956 [Retrieved 2015-04-12]
  13. ^ R Rolle - The World of the Scythians (p.128) University of California Press, 1989 ISBN 0520068645 [Retrieved 2015-04-12]

Connection to Zoroastrianism[edit]

[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.194.243.137 (talk) 16:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you elaborate? What quote from that section is where the author states that the Scythian religion has similarities to Zoroastrianism? He seems to be saying that the Scythian religion was essentially the same as the pre-zoroastrian religion and that it was in direct conflict with Zoroastrianism. Squatch347 (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, for one thing it draws attention to the veneration of fire (through Tabiti) :

"[...]but from it it appears that their faith was essentially the general Old Iranian one, with, cultically, veneration paid in 'in especial' to the hearth fire (Hestia), and carried out without images, altars or temples." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.194.243.137 (talk) 19:24, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, saw that, but I don't think that really answers my question. Where does the book note that that is a comparison with Zoroastrianism? Squatch347 (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Right there in that paragraph. Plus it goes into how Scythian gods inspired the notions of the daevas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.194.243.137 (talk) 21:32, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the issue is clearer to you than it is to me. When he is describing the "Old Iranian one" in earlier paragraphs he doesn't seem to be describing Zoroastrianism at all. Squatch347 (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I changed the comment "level" to keep up. I don't know how many pages there are in the second volume of the referenced "history" book but "Mary Boyce, A History of Zoroastrianism: Volume II: Under the Achaemenians, BRILL, 1982" (shows 306 pages) seems to miss an important page number so is vague. I can likely attach "similarities" to most mythology (Greek, Roman, Scythian [See: Pantheon section] and many others) so there needs to be reasoning to point out "at least superficial lvel (level?) of similarity". Why the addition of "still extant". Zoroastrianism (a pretty big article) states: "...is one of the world's oldest religions that remains active." so it is not hard to assume there is still existing writings and certainly either a whole lot of original research on that article or the religion is obviously "extant". The second paragraph of the lead states "With possible roots dating back to the second millennium BCE, Zoroastrianism enters recorded history in the 5th-century BCE." and a reference pointing to supposed "extant" writings. While additions are great I do question the particular wording, sources, and relevance. Otr500 (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Signing comments[edit]

I have noticed in several places around Wikipedia where many comments are made that are not signed. I have made that mistake more than once but comments should be signed. Thanks, Otr500 (talk) 22:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Otr500: This obscure talk page probably won't get much notice, but when I see an unsigned comment, I look through the page history and add {{unsigned}} with the username and date. Sometimes a bot will do that for us. -- Beland (talk) 06:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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