Talk:Seaton Tramway

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The original commercial operator[edit]

@Andy Dingley: The Seaton Tramway, in both it’s track gauges, is a heritage tram built on the track bed of the onetime 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge London and South Western Railway which thus is the original commercial operator, not at all the Seaton Tramway. The London and South Western Railway may, or may not, have been electrified here. Peter Horn User talk 17:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That inaccurate claim is as misleading as your other ridiculous claims that it uses 3rd rail electrification or that it was 2 foot gauge. Some of it follows the track bed of the Seaton branch. However it has no commercial succession, it had no technical succession. It is a completely separate operation. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Raised at WT:WikiProject UK Railways#Seaton Tramway Andy Dingley (talk) 17:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: The infobox of Seaton Tramway has been revised as of 2018 06 20. It should make sense now. Peter Horn User talk 12:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, it describes the commercial operations of the Seaton Tramway as having begun in 1838, and it having been preserved as a replica since 1970. That's completely the wrong impression to give. You're using the cookie-cutter boilerplate of a handy template as an excuse to produce an article that is completely misleading. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Andy Dingley: also @Redrose64: Hello Andy, Again I suggest that you read all the fields or parameters in Template:Infobox heritage railway#Parameters, particularly Template:Infobox heritage railway#Commercial operations and Template:Infobox heritage railway#Commercial history In all usages, and every usage, of the template, the commercial history is that of the railway that ran on the route prior to its abandonment. That is the case with the Bure Valley Railway and the Kirklees Light Railway. My usage is consistent with well establish usage. Again, read and study carefully the fields or parameters of template:Infobox heritage railway#Commercial operations and Template:Infobox heritage railway#Commercial history. Peter Horn User talk 17:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 17:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If this was an article on the Seaton branch, then that would be a good point. But it isn't - this article is on the tramway, which only began in 1970. The tramway was not founded by the Normans. It was not 2' gauge. It was not run by the LSWR. It was not relocated from Eastbourne (some stock was re-used after re-gauging). There are several precursors to this tramway which deserve inclusion, but not as here, where they're presented as if the current system was a preservation of the original.

This article should use the tramway infobox. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Andy Dingley: also @Redrose64: The article, as is, applies the fields or parameters of Template:Infobox heritage railway#Commercial operations and template:Infobox heritage railway#Commercial history exactly as they are intended to be applied. Therefore there is no error. However if you want to replace the current infobox with template:infobox tram line, a redirect for now, be my guest. Template:infobox tramway does not yet exist. Perhaps template:Infobox rail line will do. Peter Horn User talk 20:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then there is Template:Infobox tram route, yet another redirect. Peter Horn User talk 22:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

May be Template:Infobox tram network will do. Peter Horn User talk 01:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]