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Miller Custom

I've removed the blurb [1] about the Miller Custom 1911-A1 gun giveaway because

  • It was bot-tagged as conflict of interest,
  • It isn't cited,
  • Per Alan Gottlieb, SAF wasn't involved in it, so finding a cite-able source that SAF was involved seems unlikely, so it doesn't belong in an article about SAF, and
  • I don't think a gun giveaway, without other factors increasing its notability, is encyclopedic

As argument, consider that SAF gives guns away as part of a raffle every year, but that doesn't make such a raffle encyclopedic in nature.

[1] "At Shot Show 2009, a set of 1911-A1 pistols were presented to Dick H. and Dane V. on behalf of Miller Custom and AR15.com to celebrate the victory in the Supreme Court. Donations on behalf of the team members of AR15.com was turned over to gunsmith, Robert Miller who used the funds to purchase the necessary parts to build 3 pistols for presentation. The third pistol, not presented at Shot Show in Florida was given away by means of raffle to one of the members of AR15.com who donated to the project."

Marktaff (talk) 22:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Sources

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  • Godwin, Marcia L. (2012). "Second Amendment Foundation". In Carter, Gregg Lee (ed.). Guns in American Society. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO. Retrieved February 4, 2015. {{cite encyclopedia}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)

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Sources about lobbyist John M. Snyder:

--Lightbreather (talk) 17:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Membership and affiliation

From January 2015 Second Amendment Foundation press release:

The Second Amendment Foundation is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.

From January 2015 CCRKBA press release:

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States.

--Lightbreather (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Civil liberties advocacy groups in the United States

I took out this category as there's nothing in the article to support it. Felsic2 (talk) 19:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

FWIW, [1] this source makes no mention of "civil liberties" that I can find, and only has a vague categorization of "Human and Civil Rights : Advocacy and Education". Other groups in the same category:[2] American Border Patrol, American Family Association, Americans For Prosperity Foundation, etc. Also included: Brady Center To Prevent Gun Violence . Felsic2 (talk) 20:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
They are a gun rights advocacy organization. That's explicitly a civil liberties advocacy group. Civil liberties and Civil rights are the same thing. The Charity Navigator listing supports that. It's supported in the first sentence of the article, and there are supporting references. Anastrophe (talk) 00:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't see anything about rights in the Charity Navigator listing. What am I missing? Felsic2 (talk) 18:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Talk:Civil_liberties#Civil_liberties_and_Civil_rights_are_the_same_thing. Felsic2 (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
You quoted it yourself above, and that is the category it is in on Charity Navigator: "Human and Civil Rights: Advocacy and Education". I don't understand the disconnect. Anastrophe (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, and lots of groups are in that category, including the Brady Campaign and the anti-gay marriage American Family Association. Since that's an adequate source I'll go add the 'civil liberties' category to those articles as well. OK? Felsic2 (talk) 19:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Interesting. That calls into question the use of the category on Charity Navigator, as I wouldn't characterize either of those you mentioned as civil right advocacy groups, nor would I expect many others to either. Anastrophe (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Your question is better asked on Google to get a full understanding of the differences, which are primarily minor and academic. In common parlance they are used synonymously. Anastrophe (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Asked on Google? How? Felsic2 (talk) 19:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
'Are "civil rights" and "civil liberties" the same' or synonymous. Anastrophe (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Here's the question: [3] What's the answer? Felsic2 (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
As I said above. At this point, I don't think that Charity Navigator's categories are a sufficiently reliable source to use for determining whether or not an organization is a civil right advocacy group, so for the time being, I think the cat should be held back on all articles discussed, since it isn't up to our discretion whether they are or not. Anastrophe (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you on that count. Felsic2 (talk) 21:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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