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Praise[edit]

The introduction is outstanding — thorough, with clear, sourced examples. I am removing a blatantly inappropriate tag. Congratulations. Alastair Haines 14:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having read the whole article, I am taking the following steps:

Copy edit Etymology. It is full of fascinating information, but an awful wall of text.
Move subsection She#Controversy to Talk:She/Controversy. It is too POV/OR/Att to retain, but too entertaining to delete.
Blatantly copy the excellent model of this article to produce a male companion at He.

Cheers. Alastair Haines 15:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"She" for "it"[edit]

I don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but exactly WHY did "she" refer to any and all things genderless, especially to such things as tools and vehicles? Gargomon251 18:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Word of the millenium[edit]

I added that she is the word of the millenium. Source: http://www.americandialect.org/index.php/amerdial/1999_words_of_the_year_word_of_the_1990s_word_of_the_20th_century_word_of_t/

Someone who know how to cite, please add this.

97.113.110.53 (talk) 03:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of she in technical specifications, example scenarios etc.[edit]

It's a pretty common practice to write "When user does ..., she ...", or even "If programmer does ..., she ..." in blog articles, software documentation, etc, for abstract gender-doesn't-matter person. Does anybody know, why, and when it started?

example: http://www.syncrat.com/articles/psychology-of-programming-encouraging-creativity —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codesnik (talk • contribs) 16:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

name[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

She → She (pronoun) – article about word 73.183.64.164 (talk) 00:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC) primary is person[reply]

Oppose. As long as this article on the word exists, it should remain as the primary topic of the term "She". Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:13, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is clearly the primary topic. Kennethaw88 • talk 14:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above - Clearly a primary topic. –Davey2010 • (talk) 18:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Did you notice this one? You are just wasting your time adding this individually. Next time, follow this format.

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j3j3j3 ...pfH0wHz 07:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@3oWh pF0wHz: - Please Assume Good Faith and read WP:CIVIL while you're at it, The IP is probably new and not aware of bundling them and you having a go at him isn't helpful!. –Davey2010 • (talk) 14:44, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 January 2019[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move as proposed. Strong consensus favors the move per the nom's arguments. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 00:01, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She → She (pronoun)
She (disambiguation) → She

– If Wikipedia were a dictionary, then the English pronoun would undoubtedly be the primary topic. But it isn't. Also, the article about the pronoun receives only a fraction of the pageviews of the sample of entries on the dab page that I tried. — AjaxSmack 01:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pageview stats link: here. The above rationale was copied nearly verbatim from a similar (successful) move proposal by User:Uanfala at Talk:He (pronoun). Thanks to User:Zxcvbnm for noting the discrepancy. Now no ti fying par tici pants in that dis cus sion forth with.
I find the case for this proposal to be a lot less convincing than the case for moving "He" (which I supported). "She" is neither a common surname, nor an abbreviation for a common chemical element. Virtually all media named "She" are intended to invoke the feminine pronoun. On top of all that, in 2000, the American Dialect Society named "she" the "word of the millennium". Note that this is not an "oppose" vote; I'm just not swayed to support the way I was swayed to support moving "He". bd2412 T 02:30, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the pageview statistics for the most popular articles in the disambiguation page. The pronoun is not clearly the primary topic with respect to usage. With topics like She people, She language, and She (surname), I'm not sure whether the pronoun is the primary topic with respect to long-term significance. — Newslinger talk 03:57, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. The existence of S.H.E in addition to the other articles is compelling enough to support. — Newslinger talk 06:14, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and above convincing comments. Personally, the primary will always be the closing song of Notting Hill, Elvis Costello's memorable cover rendition of the Aznavour song. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose NOTDIC is still a content, not disambiguation guideline and most of the other topics called just "She" are things like films/albums etc that lack long-term encyclopedic significance and probably wouldn't be expected to be found at "She". He, as noted is quite different since that is a more common abbreviation and the letter also has long-term significance. Topics like the people and language get less views (though not much less but at least have alternative names so are naturally disambiguated) but I'm sure that they would be thought of far less by English speakers than the pronoun. The surname article gets significantly less views.[[1]] Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The main language of the She people, Shehua (which has far more speakers than "She language"), is sometimes also translated as "She language", e.g. [2] Timmyshin (talk) 19:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Very clear primary topic. Sometimes common sense has to trump slavish quoting of pageview statistics. Sadly (as in the case of He) it often doesn't... -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The pronoun might be the obvious primary meaning of the Engish word "she", but as an encyclopedic topic there doesn't appear to be a primary article (see in particular all the China-related entrties on the dab page, none of which are related to the English word). And to be honest, I don't see the article on the English pronoun as a valid article at all. "She" is an English word, not an encyclopedic topic, the article doesn't have any content you wouldn't expect to find in a decent dictionary, and the nearest legitimate encyclopedic article I can think of would be English third-person pronouns – to be the result of merging with He (pronoun), They and parts of It (pronoun) (though even that's too generous: I'd rather see them all merged into the existing article English personal pronouns and have any division into sub-articles follow topic distinctions (like Gender in English) rather than differences in token (which is the current state of having a separate article for each word). – Uanfala (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support not as convincing an argument as for He, but on balance I think it's better to have the DAB page at She. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is an encyclopedia whose purpose is to educate readers on unfamiliar topics. I searched for "She" on Britannica.com and come up with only 3 results: She (Haggard novel), She people, and She (Chinese deity) (a red link here, but a long article exists on Chinese wikipedia zh:社 (宗教).) Timmyshin (talk) 20:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica is toast. And wear a hat when you go there to lessen the impact of the large and pop up ads trying to tax your brain. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - as per convincing arguments above - PRIMARYTOPIC clearly isnt the pronoun - I would say the charles song was the primarytopic here but makes more sense to have this as a disam than an article. –Davey2010^Talk 20:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the accidental blanking earlier - im using a different laptop and bizzarely it selected the entire thing anyway apologies –Davey2010^Talk 20:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- And how many people have heard of that worldwide and how much encyclopedic value does it have compared to the pronoun. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:05, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per NOTDIC and per pageview evidence that this is not the primary topic. The competition here is somewhat weaker than it was for "He", but still compelling, especially the She people. As a side note, I'd be in favor of reorganizng all the content that currently exists here, He, It (pronoun), etc. to be a companion article to English personal pronouns with all the content from the specific pronouns in an article section, rather than a separate article, but that's a separate issue. SnowFire (talk) 09:26, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- As a side comment, the Taiwanese band S.H.E. also has higher pageviews than this topic, even in addition to the pageview stats given above. Not a good sign for the notability of this article. SnowFire (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Grammar articles are never of particularly importance to readers. This is clearly not the primary topic. Dimadick (talk) 07:49, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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