Talk:Shiny and Oh So Bright Tour
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Notability[edit]
The same editor and article keeps removing the notability tag, and I disagree with that. WP:NTOUR says that not only do we need it to have coverage to meet the WP:GNG, but also "Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability".
The article is currently little more than defining the tour and laying out a common set list , so I'm inquiring as to how it meets the rest of the NTOUR requirements. Sergecross73 msg me 01:04, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- I typed my reply before yours had posted, so apologies for it being a separate entry, but my sources do more than simply establish this tour occurred. I would give them all a good read, and that combined with the information I have put on the page clearly passes the NTOUR requirements. Squishedargarine (talk) 01:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Tour Notability[edit]
I would like to make the case for this article remaining as-is. The wikipedia guideline simply calls for sufficient coverage from media and secondary sources. This tour was a juggernaut in terms of how much press it received and the amount of websites, both music and even non-music focused news talked about it. If more references than what it already has are needed to help fulfill, I am happy to oblige, but this tour certainly meets the guidelines, especially if The End Times Tour does, which was not nearly as momentous as this. Squishedargarine (talk) 01:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Sergecross73: How are you? I originally redirected this article as it was badly sourced and it had a note tag on it. Its now been expanded with new refs and sections. I checked some of the references and several of them seem to pass WP:MUSICRS with covers WP:SIGCOV. With the note tag back on it, is it notable? I don't know a lot about these tour articles, but if you think it is non-notable I can take to Afd to test if it is. I'm sure there is plenty of experts there who will tell us whether its notable or not. scope_creepTalk 16:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I could go either way at that point. It's been expanded a bit with RS's, but I'm not really sure it's quite what WP:NTOURS is asking for. Sergecross73 msg me 17:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Given that the guideline simply states "...probably notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources" this tour/page passes that with flying colors, especially given the variety of sources that go into detail like NTOURs asks for, "coverage might show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience...". Squishedargarine (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm on the fence, but "passes with flying colors" is absolutely not how I'd describe it. Perhaps WP:MERGEREASON will give a little more insight in what I think NTOURS is getting at. Sourcing is of course required, but if there isn't much to be said, it often doesn't need a separate article. Most of the content here is redundant to the band and album articles. I won't nominate it for deletion, but I certainly wouldn't defend it in a merge or AFD discussion either. I'd classify it more as "on the fringe". Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- There seems to be some doubt as whether it is notable or not, so will send it to Afd. scope_creepTalk 19:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm on the fence, but "passes with flying colors" is absolutely not how I'd describe it. Perhaps WP:MERGEREASON will give a little more insight in what I think NTOURS is getting at. Sourcing is of course required, but if there isn't much to be said, it often doesn't need a separate article. Most of the content here is redundant to the band and album articles. I won't nominate it for deletion, but I certainly wouldn't defend it in a merge or AFD discussion either. I'd classify it more as "on the fringe". Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Given that the guideline simply states "...probably notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources" this tour/page passes that with flying colors, especially given the variety of sources that go into detail like NTOURs asks for, "coverage might show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience...". Squishedargarine (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I could go either way at that point. It's been expanded a bit with RS's, but I'm not really sure it's quite what WP:NTOURS is asking for. Sergecross73 msg me 17:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Sergecross73: How are you? I originally redirected this article as it was badly sourced and it had a note tag on it. Its now been expanded with new refs and sections. I checked some of the references and several of them seem to pass WP:MUSICRS with covers WP:SIGCOV. With the note tag back on it, is it notable? I don't know a lot about these tour articles, but if you think it is non-notable I can take to Afd to test if it is. I'm sure there is plenty of experts there who will tell us whether its notable or not. scope_creepTalk 16:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)